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The IDE isn't going away

8•williamzeng0•6mo ago
Somehow this is a contrarian opinion, but debuggers, code navigation, and autocomplete still matter. Developers are not being replaced.

Starting a codegen company

Kevin and I started Sweep two years ago.

In 2023 GitHub Copilot was the status quo.

We saw it and thought “this is not the final state of software development”.

"What do we do at our day jobs?" Almost all of our time was spent editing existing code.

We built the MVP of our GitHub agent in 4 days and applied to YC.

Going through YC

During our first office hour, we tried to clearly describe what we're building. "AI developer". Sweep will take GitHub issues or Jira tickets, and use LLMs to generate a solution. Then the developer can just review it.

We pushed forward - we open sourced it as well.

It was really fun! We built an awesome community. Hundreds of users per day, 5k github stars in a month, and over 1000 discord users.

Trying to deliver a coding agent

We pushed hard on getting agents to work. We spent our days fighting gpt-4-32k, then fighting claude opus 3, then fighting sonnet 3.5.

The biggest feedback we heard was "it's faster for me to do this myself. this doesn't work for anything non-trivial."

Even as we continued improving it felt like we couldn't make the leap.

We tried to take as much agency as we could.

Our mentality was "Ok the models suck, but we have so many ways around that".

We kept pushing and trying new models and techniques (future post) but throughout 2024, almost all of our users moved to Cursor. We were stuck.

How do we make agents work?

Of the major use cases of agents in coding, the ones that work well today are:

- Terminal agents (Claude Code) - IDE sidebars (Cursor, Windsurf)

Notice the pattern? These exist fully within the IDE or development environment.

There are three factors that play into each other.

1. Allowing agents to execute code is extremely complex or infeasible for large codebases. 2. This causes agentic coding loops to be bottlenecked on manual testing / user feedback. 3. As codebases grow in size, agents can't hold the entire codebase in context.

This means that for most codebases, agents still need supervision in 5 to 10 minute intervals.

Even with agents the natural place for developers to write code is still the IDE.

Pivot

We decided to pivot from our standalone agent. A lot of people were surprised.

I remember going to a developer meetup and telling a founder, "hey - we pivoted to an IDE coding assistant".

He gave me a doubtful look - "for VSCode?". There were too many VSCode forks at this time.

"No, for JetBrains!".

He asked, "doesn't Codeium have something already?"

I had already tried it. "It's way behind their VSCode fork."

We started Sweep with the goal of automating simple GitHub issues with AI. That mission became "help developers save time".

Building something people love using and saving them time is way more important to us than the way we get there.

We talked to hundreds of JetBrains developers, and they kept saying "the AI in JetBrains sucks."

Cursor had done a great job. Using AI in VSCode was seamless. But this wasn't anything magical. They had continuously iterated to find the best UX.

The previous tools that supported JetBrains, like Windsurf and Copilot, had just built a plugin to capture market share. It allowed them to position themselves as "one company for all of your AI needs."

They did not deliver on the JetBrains side.

Their users were constantly struggling with high CPU usage, missing features, and even outdated models.

So we decided to compete.

Over the last months, we've built an agent, trained an autocomplete model, and fixed A LOT of bugs. We're going to make JetBrains IDEs + Sweep AI the best way to develop.

If you're a JetBrains dev that wants to use AI without leaving your favorite editor, we'd love your feedback!

Comments

williamzeng0•6mo ago
You can try Sweep here! https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/26860-sweep-ai
gamifykaran•6mo ago
Such a great post, enjoyed reading it being an non developer. What I understood from this you are going for a niche less popular more complex market and its awesome to solve the problem for that community all the best man!
throwaway16722•6mo ago
Have you tried getting an LLM help you write complete sentences and group them into paragraphs? Perhaps you could take a writing course? If you are planning on leading a company, communication is very important. Were I to work for someone who communicated as you have written here, I would have a very hard time.
williamzeng0•6mo ago
Appreciate the comment!
runjake•6mo ago
Normally, I like receiving information in bullet point style, but this post was really hard to read and wasn't well-thought out or well-organized.

For others: This is an advertisement for a product called Sweep AI, an AI assistant for JetBrains IDEs. It probably should have been a more well-written Tell HN post.

Here's the URL, since the OP forgot to include it: https://sweep.dev/

And here's the URL to grab the plugin: https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/26860-sweep-ai

williamzeng0•6mo ago
Sorry about that everyone! I didn't expect the formatting to look like this. Thanks for summarizing it here.
wdiamond•6mo ago
I would not say IDE, but code language itself. I can program without syntax highlight and autocomplete. The more precision you need the farther you are from natural language. But I really apreciate to type less. There is nothing more cryptic than compression of ideas.
aristofun•6mo ago
If you want to catch attention from fellow engineers, you need to start using AI at least for writing concise posts.

Nobody cares about your emotions or "who has done or decided what" stories. You cater to professionals, not tiktok "influencers".

Also you have to explain what is this behind the scene - wrapper around known LLMs (then can I bring my own key? why not?) or your own trained/tuned LLM (in that case what are the specific advantages/differences over competitors)?

I'm happy to be your devote user, but I don't see any answers on your website and this makes me very sceptic that you truly understand what you are doing and for whom.

williamzeng0•6mo ago
That makes sense! Appreciate the sentiment.
scarface_74•6mo ago
So while starting a company , ever thought about learning how to communicate?