Both ads and capitalism are messy and have some externalized harms, but are better than the alternatives.
In the "advertising led" model of customer discovery, businesses advertise to essentially tell the market that they exist and provide a service. They do so by paying for advertising space across various mediums. This includes everything from their store signage to Craigslist ads, to TV and sophisticated digital advertising.
Most modern advertising is an auction where businesses compete to serve their message to customers the algorithms think are most likely to be interested.
This function - of matching users that might be interested in products to businesses providing products - is at this point hugely scaled.
People who want to ban ads will usually give the alternative of a reviewed directory of products and services for each category. That, they say, would be the ideal method of product discovery, along with word of mouth.
However, that runs immediately into the same problem that communism has historically. Who actually controls these directories, which would be a huge source of power for society? I posit that that it is impossible to centralize this effectively, and that the most likely most effective method for idea and product dispersal is something close to modern marketing and advertising.
JohnFen•18h ago
Some is doing an awful lot of work there. Both ads and capitalism have become so degenerate and abusive that I'm no longer confident that either are better than the alternatives. Even phrasing it as "better than the alternatives" is a symptom of one aspect of the overall decline: seeing everything as an either-or choice.
chairmansteve•17h ago
Capitalism works very well within boundaries. When those boundaries expand too much, capitalism becomes degenerate.
The ideal is a strong state which polices capitalism so that we get the benefits but not the harms.
cm2012•12h ago
dontoni•1h ago
All other alternatives than capitalism or partial capitalism have been ruled out by any country that has anything to do in the world, or for any society in which material well-being is present for the majority of their population.
The fact that ads are annoying doesn’t mean that capitalism is bad or degenerate.
If I have had a bad girlfriend and I’m ugly as hell as to not afford any other, then yes I’ll be prompted to say the relationships market has become degenerate. But probably it’s just that I can’t find good partners on it.
The same if you can’t pay for YouTube Premium, X Premium+ or the like. And precisely because capitalism isn’t degenerate but buoyant, ad-free solutions like Perplexity for search are rising at such a rapid pace it can’t do anything but increase optimism in the future.
JohnFen•8m ago
First, I should state up front, I am not remotely anticapitalist. Quite the opposite. However, as practiced in the US right now, capitalism has become a cancer that is distorting and consuming everything and replacing it with the profit motive. We are all poorer for it in many ways, and growing more so. I even think it's become a serious threat to our freedom and liberty.
I think any pure "-ism" is an undesirable thing. Every approach has a degenerate condition that it will trend toward if there isn't a countervailing force. The alternative to capitalism is to mix in the strengths of the other "-isms" and to stop treating capitalism like a religion.