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Ask HN: What toolchains are people using for desktop app development in 2025?

46•lincoln20xx•4h ago
I recently came across a comment [0] here that highlighted the challenges of building native desktop apps with LLMs. The commenter pointed out how scarce training resources have become—few blog posts, tutorials, or open-source projects exist compared to web or mobile development. They also noted that while desktop app development was a solid career path in the 90s, it's now seen as a dead end for most, outside of big players like Microsoft or Adobe.

This got me thinking: My own experience with desktop development dates back to the late 90s using Turbo Pascal 6 in Delphi, and I'm out of the loop on modern practices. With the evolving landscape, I'm curious about what tools and workflows developers are actually using today.

Some questions to spark discussion:

- What programming languages and frameworks are popular for desktop apps? - Are there any go-to IDEs, build tools, or libraries that make development easier? - Do the above answers change if you care about code performance or efficiency (whatever that means to you)? - Is native desktop app development still viable as a career, or are most greenfield projects shifting to web-based alternatives?

I'd love to hear from folks with recent experience—success stories, pitfalls, and recommendations would be great. Thanks in advance for sharing!

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44841291

Comments

mikewarot•3h ago
Lazarus is the open source equivalent to Delphi these days, and for the most part it's awesome. (The documentation, on the other hand... just isn't fit for purpose)

I've been using Visual Studio Code and Github Copilot together, and it seems to work ok. I've not used it heavily, though, as I'm retired.

bsoles•3h ago
To my dismay, my company uses JavaScript, HTML, CSS with a custom Chromium-based web browser installed on your PC. The performance is shit: GUI performance that should take milliseconds takes seconds to render with constant pinging of corporate servers and user activity logging. Development mostly done in IntelliJ or VS Code.
yjftsjthsd-h•2h ago
At that point, what's the point in maintaining your own browser fork instead of just telling users to point their own (Blink, even) browser at localhost?
bsoles•2h ago
Control of the chrome around the browser page I guess.
leptons•1h ago
Those problems aren't JS/HTML/CSS problems, they are bad programmer problems. If the performance of your webapp sucks, then you did something wrong somewhere, but it wasn't choosing JS/HTML/CSS that caused the problem. There are plenty of very performant web applications.
dochtman•3h ago
Tauri seems interesting. It combines a Rust core with the platform-native browser engine for presentation. Of course a potential downside is rendering incompatibilities between engines/platforms.
dev08979•3h ago
I support Java software using a Swing GUI. It's fairly performant, but requires a fair bit of boilerplate for setting up the GUI and can take longer than typical web development.
pragmatic•3h ago
Windows Forms are alive and well.

Still supported in latest .net versions.

juped•2h ago
Avalonia is my go-to on .net. It's not too far from WPF.
dmitrybrant•1h ago
A hearty +1 to using WinForms (as long as your desktop app targets Windows only, of course). The fact that WinForms has outlasted so many other UI toolkits is a testament to its simplicity and ease of use. I still use it in numerous personal projects, and I don't foresee Microsoft dropping support for it anytime in the near future.
leptons•1h ago
I'm still using a few JScript.NET Windows forms applications I wrote over 10 years ago. Works great. jsc.exe is still on every Windows machine, and makes it easy to write Javascript and compile to .exe or even .dlls.
Palomides•3h ago
Qt with QML for a somewhat embedded use case. I think it hits a really nice intersection of native speed, GPU acceleration, interfacing with C++, and ease of development.

I wouldn't really recommend a career out of it.

diego_moita•2h ago
> I wouldn't really recommend a career out of it.

Care to say why? I ask because that's what I use at work: C++ and Qt

Yes, I'd prefer Rust and Slint/Tauri.

But like a prostitute I don't do what I love, I do what pays the bills.

Palomides•2h ago
I think it's a little too niche, and as embedded processors get more and more powerful, we'll just see the same trend of doing all UI in a browser instead

I do like working in it, though!

Mars008•28m ago
You don't need powerful microprocessor for UI. Just some sort of connection. WiFi, network, file system. Then UI can run in browser on tablet, desktop...
LarMachinarum•1h ago
Qt used to be what I used as well, but the licensing has become so repulsive for professional use that I now refuse to touch it now (not even for my open source side projects where this wouldn't be an issue).

Too bad the hopes from the early Nokia adoption days got smashed by MS mole Elop and the later owners of Qt.

nextos•1h ago
Yeah, it's quite sad to see Qt on the N9 and, now, on SailfishOS.

We were robbed of a future with lightweight and responsive native apps. Android pales in comparison.

hermitcrab•1h ago
I have a small business license which I use for developing 3 commercial application. It is ~$1000 per year and the licensing seems quite reasonable.
mg•3h ago
Now that Chromium supports the File System Access API on desktop and mobile, I am building every software I need as HTML+JS+CSS.

Before that, handling files in the browser was cumbersome. You had to offer download and upload links for users to manage files. And handling whole directories was impossible.

But now web apps are like native software tools that you can use to edit and manage files on the file system.

And the bonus point is that what you build this way is fully functional on mobile too. Right away, without any changes. At least on Android.

lyu07282•2h ago
+1 Another bonus is that it's properly sandboxed, you only give access to the files/directories and other resources it needs.
robertoandred•1h ago
Except you lose native document UI features. Especially frustrating in Electron "apps".
Mars008•21m ago
What about FireFox, does/will it support file system access? I'm not an expert, just thinking this way and don't like Chromium. The idea is to use light web server in application + browser with JS. This makes it easier and more convenient as it can naturally run remote, on microprocessor. Also LLMs are good at generating such UIs.
dazzawazza•2h ago
Within game development it's Dear ImGui. https://github.com/ocornut/imgui

Normally with the Windows DX12 backend, sometimes with the SDL+OpenGL backend if you want cross platform support.

Other frameworks are sort of disappearing. C++ all the way although some use it with C#.

gisborne•2h ago
Flutter builds pretty decent desktop apps these days.
AaronAPU•2h ago
I’m using JUCE C++ which is very popular for audio software. But it can be used for more general purpose applications. The latest version has some kind of HTML based UI system but I’ve not migrated yet.
joefourier•2h ago
I’ve tried it in the latest plug-in I’ve worked on - it’s just a webview embedded in the window. It’s really great for faster development of more complex plug-ins but there’s some downsides when it comes to performance and integration with the DAW (I had to do some nasty hacks to get handle mouse clicks and keypresses properly).

I think it would be possible to have those advantages in JUCE/C++ without a webview tho. Maybe just moving to a declarative UI approach for positioning and styles with the ability to refresh (something like litehtml could be handy for that)?

diego_moita•2h ago
For Windows only (because that's the most common platform in the world): C# and .Net. The UI is mostly either WPF or WindowsForms.

For Mac only: new apps use Swift, legacy ones use Objective-C, both with AppKit.

Linux only: these are quite rare and there is a broad mix of them: C++, Java, etc.

Cross-platform: C++ with Qt seems to be the standard. Go and Rust seem to be rising. Rising UI libraries are Tauri, Slint and Iced. There are other alternatives like cross-platform .Net, Java or Flutter. But they don't look very solid and widely adopted.

Then there are other UI frameworks for some specific use cases (games, scientific applications, etc).

self_awareness•2h ago
C++ and Qt.

Rust as a statically linked library where it makes sense.

vladdoster•2h ago
Flutter is a super compelling framework (https://flutter.dev/multi-platform/desktop), but I’d live in fear of it randomly being sent to the Google graveyard.
x0x0•2h ago
It had layoffs in 2024. And Google has emitted a bunch of words about their support for Flutter, but hasn't taken the most obvious step towards solidifying support: guarantee a minimal spend level on Flutter dev for a decade, either internally or by donating to an external foundation. eg we will spend $x on Flutter until 2036. :shrug: So they've carefully retained the option to cut support at will. Which is their choice, but I recently wasn't comfortable starting a greenfield project in it for that reason.
doawoo•58m ago
We shipped a project at work with Flutter recently, specifically using it on embedded Linux, basically a touch screen smart apartment tablet/thermostat combo.

Internally the “UI” team is tiny (basically me, a UI/Designer and one or two other part time engineers) and the productivity is astounding tbh

Philpax•2h ago
Rust + egui, but it's a far cry from the convenience or iteration speed of the web. Wherever possible, I build webapps instead, just because it's so much faster to get results (especially with LLMs!)

With that being said, I'd like to try the modern .NET stack sometime. Shame that the UI side of things is still largely Windows-only, and even Microsoft themselves don't know which UI framework they're using this week.

exceptione•2h ago
See Avalonia, cross-platform .net core.
gwbennett•2h ago
For both iOS and Android app: - Xcode - SwiftUI - Supabase - Claude CLI - Skip.tools (converts SwiftUI to native Katlin code)

Been developing mobile apps for over 15 years. This is by far the best stack for developing mobile apps. Speed, total control, native UI's. Love it.

tra3•2h ago
Is there a cross plaform desktop option for that?
adamnemecek•2h ago
I have been recently playing with Dioxus and I kinda like it. I too am dismayed that we are using browser to target desktop but here we are I guess.
akkartik•2h ago
As someone who loved Turbo Pascal, for the past 3 years I use Lua and LÖVE.

https://akkartik.name/freewheeling

strickinato•1h ago
Just chiming in to say that akkartik is doing really interesting stuff and it’s worth diving deep on this site.

<3

akkartik•1h ago
Wow, thank you! <3
pull_my_finger•1h ago
Are you shipping apps bundled with LÖVE or just expecting users to obtain it and drag the files onto it? I know there are some scripts out there to produce stand-alone apps, but I wish it were more straight forward or that there were a 1st party tool that did it.
akkartik•1h ago
Yeah, my install instructions are consistently:

1. Download LÖVE from its website.

2. Download my app (as Lua source code).

It's not going to lead to Instagram-level downloads, but that's not the aim. My goal is to teach people a little at a time to be thoughtful about whom they trust to run code on their devices. Forcing people to take 2 steps hopefully has 2 benefits:

1. You start from day 1 to take baby steps in being mindful of how software is put together for you to use. It's not just a single hermetically sealed box. This part comes from one supplier, this part from another. Both can be modified, and require different skills to modify.

2. You start from day 1 to take baby steps in thinking about whom to trust. Here there are 2 separate projects that would be very hard to collude together. That limits at least the level of malicious stuff I can do.

Summary: I don't want a bunch of people blindly trusting me. I want a few people choosing mindfully to trust me.

mariu52•2h ago
Rust for backend + Qt via cxx-qt bindings.

Would consider flutter for smaller apps as I had a great experience before.

mahadali•2h ago
Zte the hack
woile•2h ago
Slint-ui with rust (they have bindings for cpp, Python and js).

Quite good, I've been building this Pomodoro:

https://github.com/reciperium/temporis/

I've also used nix to build the packages when possible.

One of the things I like about slint is that it has native components. They also have experimental support for Android and iOS.

The language is quite simple as well. Though it could benefit from something like flex

alkonaut•2h ago
.NET and whatever gui framework is appropriate (WPF, Avalonia, WinForms).

Rust + Egui for special cases like DAW plugins.

anonymousd3vil•1h ago
I'm personally aware and used few Desktop app building frameworks like Flutter, Tauri, Electron. I think you might have some luck with Electron support for LLMs since its early development and resources available. But I personally like to use Tauri recently, its backend is Rust but you can plug it in with any JS, CSS framework and develop your application.
osm3000•1h ago
Because I mainly work with python, I am using Kivy (https://kivy.org/).

Earlier I was HTMX, Jinja templates, Flask, Tailwind and little vanilla JS. It was too inelegant for my taste.

I am considering moving to either Swift, or JS/Svelete

jlarocco•1h ago
At work we use C#, .Net, and WPF. I've only used it at this company, and I can't say for sure if my dislikes are with WPF, or how our codebase is using it. Overall it's not terrible, except for being proprietary and Windows only.

Outside of work, I'm out in left field using Common Lisp for most of my projects, so I'm not sure how helfpul this is, but...

In the past, I used Qt4 because there was an amazing Common Lisp binding and it worked well on Linux, FreeBSD and OSX. It's increasingly hard to use Qt4 any more, though, and changes in the Qt project made the technique used by the Qt4 bindings impractical for Qt5 or Qt6 - at least that was my understanding when I looked into it.

For newer things I've tried LTK but don't really like the looks of it and I wouldn't say it's "modern". It seems to work across platform well enough, though, and for simple stuff it's okay.

More often than not I'm using a combination of the Slime tools in Emacs in combination with an GLFW/OpenGL window. Often I'll use the inspector to display data and make changes that show up in an OpenGL window, or run some commands in the REPL and pop up an image in an external viewer or load something in a browser. It only works for certain types of applications, and I won't even pretend it's practical for end users, but it works pretty well, and it's flexible as a developer.

I'm curious to see what other people say. It's been a while since I madea full blown GUI application.

cryptoalex•1h ago
Delphi was so ahead of its time (a mandatory remark)... I've used Delphi 1 to 4 then moved on to other things. Using .NET since 1.0 beta, and it still remains my favorite stack. The project I am currently building is a software infra for building E2EE applications, and it requires a little bit of everything - mobile apps for key management, desktop/cli apps/client libraries for actually encrypting data, sometimes a web based app, and a zero trust backend. Using Xamarin/MAUI for mobile apps, Blazor WASM for Web, Blazor Hybrid / MAUI / Avalonia UI for Desktop. All of the frameworks have their quirks, so it may take a bit of time to learn your patterns, build your base classes, but after that you pretty much enjoy the productivity of a modern high level language.

- What programming languages and frameworks are popular for desktop apps? - for me - Blazor Hybrid / MAUI / Avalonia UI / WinForms

- Are there any go-to IDEs, build tools, or libraries that make development easier? - I use MSVS 2022, VSCode for .NET, IntelliJ for $$$ at work. There are of course UI control libraries, I am using MudBlazor for Blazor WASM / Hybrid, other than that I use built-in controls that come with each framework. I try to use as little as possible of 3rd party libraries b/c my apps are security-sensitive.

- Do the above answers change if you care about code performance or efficiency (whatever that means to you)? - in my case no, I am able to find what I need in .NET ecosystem. Modern .NET supports ahead-of-time compilation compiling to native code, and that helps to reduce start-up time which is important for Desktop / CLI. Ironically, for a long running processes, like a web service, the just-in-time compilation sometimes produces code running faster than ahead-of-time compilation, b/c it learns most common execution paths at runtime, and is able to recompile on the fly, optimizing for most frequent execution paths, giving a non-trivial performance boost in some cases

- Is native desktop app development still viable as a career, or are most greenfield projects shifting to web-based alternatives - depends on the app/use case. For my project, desktop is the first class citizen, but I am building E2EE apps, i.e. end-to-end-encryption apps, aka client-side encryption, and native / Desktop / CLI is a better fit for E2EE in most of the cases compared to web apps. For those Web apps that I have it is still E2EE but in the browser (still client side encryption)

hermitcrab•1h ago
>Delphi was so ahead of its time

Borland had an amazing knack of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

_nhh•1h ago
C#, dotnet core and Avalonia. Its awesome
sltr•50m ago
On my projects [1][2], I use C# and Avalonia with Rider or Visual Studio. For extra performance, turn on AOT, which has the nice side-effect of making reversing your app to C# impossible.

I worked in WPF for a decade. I wouldn't go with it for a new project since it's Windows-only and doesn't support AOT.

At work we have a Blazor MAUI hybrid desktop app because it also has to run on the web. If we only needed a desktop app, I'd go with Avalonia.

[1] https://linklever.net/ [2] https://github.com/endurabyte/FitEdit

cosmic_cheese•5m ago
Still plain old Swift (or when the itch strikes, Objective-C) and AppKit. I don’t really build for platforms other than macOS because I haven’t found toolkits that feel right elsewhere. I would do just about anything for multiplatform AppKit.

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