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2. Read this book: Never Split the Difference
NOTE: Understand the difference between negotiations and bluffing.
Exactly this.
In all my decades in the industry, both during up cycles and down cycles, I've never had anyone respond to negotiation by saying "never mind, the deal is off". The worst case is that they'll say "our offer is not subject to negotiations, take it or leave it."
I had that happen during my very first negotiation. Unless I'm lead to believe "suddenly, funding changed. We have to cancel". It does happen.
Two of the three offers in 2023 were from my network. But honestly, it might be harder now. It’s more of shit show now then even last year. On the other hand, I am at point in life where I’m good with just cost of living raises as long as I stay remote and I don’t have to deal with too much BS.
The problem is overgeneralization. Even in a "bad" job market there are always jobs where the demand is high and the supply is low. Those people are in good shape.
The only effect the job market has on negotiations is it can lower the upper limit of what you can get out of it. But you should always negotiate, because if you don't, you'll almost always be getting less than you're worth regardless of market conditions.
Every month you don’t bring in income, you have to make 8.3% more just to make up for the month of lost income.
Even though it didn’t come to it when I was looking for a job in late 2023 and again in late 2024, I was willing to take the first job or contract that came along *and keep interviewing*. It is especially easy when I am interviewg and working remotely.
Honestly, most of my career and I’m now 10 jobs in, it’s been a tik tok between changing jobs to up skill and changing jobs for a pay bump or now just to stay remote and half to deal with as little bullshit as possible.
The core negotiations are the same as always: know your worth , and only do it if you're willing to walk away from the job. But it's much harder to get that ability these days for many.
The only additional wisdom is to track layoff history these days. Getting an offer now may not mean you'll have that job in a year.
Always ask how often the company does salary reviews. They'll not want to say "never" and anything they say you can note and use as a means to ask for a higher salary in the future.
In general, in this market, I'd argue it's worth taking the job either way. 5-10% extra pay isn't worth another 2-3 months of unemployment. But that's a calculus you as an individual will need to make depending on your confidence of finding something else and your own financial security.
result of salary review can be no raise, so this might be not very useful
> 5-10% extra pay isn't worth another 2-3 months of unemployment
imho it's not worth the risk, unless your base makes that 10% big enough to outweight the risks :)
mooreds•1d ago
Always worth thinking about your alternative to any job offer.