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Ask HN: How many people got VPNs in response to laws like UK Online Safety Act?

58•hodgesrm•2h ago
I was reading The Free Press (thefp.com) from London and an article was automatically blocked to ensure conformance with the UK Online Safety Act. I thought the site was broken. It took a few minutes to diagnose the problem. 15 minutes later I had Mullvad installed and was back online.

Talk about unintended consequences. How many other people have done the same?

Comments

grumblepeet•2h ago
I did despite being quite resistant to the idea at first. Eventually I didn't have a choice, as many things I wanted to read were suddenly hidden. I am paranoid however and worry that the VPN maker is tracking me, but there is only so much I can be paranoid about in the day.
petepete•2h ago
I was trying to follow a tutorial the other day and couldn't because the embedded images were on Imgur and it was so frustrating. It was the straw that broke the camel's back.

I caved, bought a 3 year PIA plan, had my router configured within about 2 minutes (actually impressed how straightforward Unifi made it) and now my browsing experience is fixed.

secret-noun•1h ago
By putting it on your router, all your traffic is tunneled through the VPN, right?

I ask this in comparison to applying it at a finer-grained level, such as just a particular machine, or to an application, or to even a browser tab or particular domain. I feel like I would never want all my traffic VPN-ed because it is slow, there are greater privacy concerns of VPN operators, and my needs for VPNs are a cleanly-separable small chunk of my online activities.

hodgesrm•1h ago
I'm planning to turn the VPN off when I don't need it. Mullvad is nice because you can just put money on the meter when you are traveling to locations that make it necessary.
7bit•1h ago
Depending on the configuration it could be selective, I'm Ike routing only imgur through VPN.
petepete•1h ago
I used Policy Based Routing so only imgur.com/i.imgur.com are redirected, everything else is as it was before.

https://help.ui.com/hc/en-us/articles/12566175125783-UniFi-G...

DarkmSparks•1h ago
Just used tor browser when I was back last week.
hodgesrm•1h ago
I should mention that what pushed me over the edge was discovering that the FP problem was [among other things] triggered by a user comment that was then suppressed. However, it had a helpful message that I could solve the problem by uploading identification information to a website somewhere that I've never heard of.

Given the rate at which those sites are hacked, that's basically the following, simple procedure:

Step 1: Share your identifying information with the entire Internet.

delichon•1h ago
I got one to bypass Arizona's internet ID law. It put a crimp in my watching of adult entertainment (for science). Although I don't live in Arizona, IP geo mappers disagree. Borders contain censorship about as well as they contain invasive species.
flir•1h ago
Nah, but I very occasionally break out ssh port forwarding. Very occasionally.
ataru•1h ago
I did, I don't want the hassle of anything being blocked, and I don't want to upload identity details as they have the potential for misuse.

I notice that some tech companies claim they are "trusted" or have "trusted third parties", I don't trust them at all, I'm not sure why they think I do.

generic92034•12m ago
They trust themselves to do whatever increases the shareholder value. Is that not trust enough for you? /s
latexr•1h ago
> How many other people have done the same?

For your own personal sake, you may be selfishly wishing it’s as few people as possible. Eventually they’ll outlaw VPNs too and by then you’ll have little recourse. You can’t hide behind them forever, deeper change is needed.

olalonde•1h ago
> Eventually they’ll outlaw VPNs too and by then you’ll have little recourse.

Even China doesn't quite manage to enforce that.

latexr•58m ago
It’s a mistake to think you need to get everyone perfectly all the time to be effective. Stopping businesses from operating legally and having your population afraid of committing a crime does a lot of work by itself.

It’s only techies who think “if I can get around it, it’s not that big of a deal”. As long as you live in a society, how other people behave affects what you can do too.

ben_w•44m ago
Yes, and more.

Even those who are happy to break laws, don't generally do so perfectly.

Even nation states' pulling James Bond stunts don't do it perfectly.

Imperfect enforcement used to be the default even for petty crimes, before CCTV and finger prints and DNA tests and all the other forensics got cheap. The legal systems don't care if the methods are imperfect… and worse, they don't understand why we do, making it hard to explain to them the consequences of this kind of thing in our domain.

xzjis•16m ago
VPNs can never be completely banned because they're a tool used by businesses (nothing is more important than a business in neoliberal capitalism).
3rodents•9m ago
The western view of China’s Internet censorship often flies in the face of reality. A lot of people seem to think China has an impenetrable firewall.

Bypassing internet restrictions in mainland China is a normal part of life for people who want to access the western internet. China is able to censor the Internet effectively because Chinese people are most comfortable using apps that cater directly to Chinese people, through language and culture. The Chinese government has a lot of control over these companies because they’re based are located in China.

The English speaking west is so dependent on the U.S. internet that it is impossible to copy the Chinese model.

_dan•9m ago
I mean good luck banning ssh connections.
KaiserPro•1h ago
I have a VPN, self hosted, I had one because it was a way to keep my infra in one network for config management. I then extended it for skirting round giving my raw ID to some dogshit start who'll then either get hacked, or sell my details to someone nefarious.

If there had been a free, public and verifiable Age/ID service, that wasn't tied to advertising, then I might be more willing to hand over my ID. But because the VC whispered "freemarket" in the ears of the prick who designed this, we are stuck with the worst of all worlds. A non-secure way to prove ID, and a non-acceptable way to shield those that don't or cant consent, from harm.

GaryBluto•1h ago
I just use TOR for circumventing blocks.
abc123abc123•1h ago
Yes, another one for tor. You can restrict exit nodes to certain countries, if you need to read something only available locally. Works for most, but not all, sites.
tlb•1h ago
I already had a VPN, because I live in the UK and do business in the US, and the easiest way to get websites to show local prices & shipping is a VPN. I think anyone that is involved with multiple countries needs one.

Localization was supposed to be a browser thing, using headers like Accept-Language, but alas.

amiga386•1h ago
I was already using Tor Browser for sites that UK ISPs are banned from letting me access.

I continue to use Tor Browser for entirely innocuous sites that are collateral damage of the OSA.

For example, the Interactive Fiction Archive. All its game files are voluntarily blocked in the UK by its well-meaning but stupid operators. Even games intended for children. They should stop complying and just serve up all their files to everyone. If a teenager learns what a. z5 file even is, they deserve to be able to play it.

Any reddit thread where someone said naughty words? "Oh we're going to need your phone number and a facial". I don't think so, Mr Data Harvester. Click on URL, Ctrl+c, alt-tab to Tor Browser, Ctrl+v, "Are you over 18?" Yes I am. See how easy that is?

I hate my government.

Flere-Imsaho•25m ago
I use Orbot on Android - which provides a Tor connection. I'm not sure why people are paying for VPNs for the small number of sites that are blocked in the UK.
afandian•21m ago
Not only your government. The Conservatives who proposed it. Labour who provided no opposition. But most importantly Ofcom, who comprehensively failed to implement a competent and reasonable solution.

Everyone could have done a lot better, and could have achieved the stated aims without so much damage.

constantcrying•41m ago
So much of the Internet is broken if you don't have a VPN (and much of it is broken if you do). But the consequence of circumventing laws through VPNs will inevitably be bans on VPNs for individuals. By the way, the people who are writing these laws aren't clueless 60 year olds who need help operating their phones. The EU politicians pushing through chat control understand what they are doing.

The idea of a global internet is becoming increasingly infeasible and I believe that China is just ahead of its time. If you look at the UK, it is really just a matter of time until they figure out that the real issue they are having is that, the Internet allows communication with entities they can not enforce their laws on. The logical consequence for them will be to deny access entirely. The same seems true for the EU, which is moving in a similar direction.

cs02rm0•36m ago
A lot I expect. There were stories about VPNs being top of the App Store, etc. when the law kicked in.

Lots of people using Brave's Tor or Opera's VPN in their browsers, and free VPNs like Proton (which seems like a negative security outcome for the country to me).

I'd have thought the intel agencies would be pissed at all that data going dark, but haven't heard a peep in the media.

gmac•36m ago
I’m in the UK and have been using a self-hosted VPN for years, since the Investigatory Powers Act obliged ISPs to keep records of what you browse and gave public bodies warrantless access to those records (which I think on principle is entirely wrong).

Originally IKEv2 and more recently WireGuard, configured like so:

https://github.com/jawj/IKEv2-setup

https://github.com/jawj/wireguard-setup

koakuma-chan•35m ago
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