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MCPs are dead - CLIs won

12•umairnadeem123•3h ago
Even Peter Steinberger who created OpenClaw said as much on Lex Fridman's podcast (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFjfBk8HI5o around 2:38:59).

The whole premise of MCPs was that agents need some new standardized protocol to talk to tools, but CLIs already do this and they've done it for decades. They're backwards compatible with basically everything and LLMs already think in text in text out natively. No translation layer, no schema, no overhead. MCPs are genuinely a solution looking for a problem that CLIs solved 40 years ago.

I've been testing this myself and the results kind of speak for themselves. I pointed OpenClaw with Opus 4.6 at a 20k member subreddit with nothing but CLI access. No MCPs, no special integrations, just a model with a computer.

In one week it made two all time top posts, built insane karma (3k+) on a week old account, drove 70+ waitlist signups autonomously, attracted 300 inbox messages from strangers, and did it all with zero paid promotion. People gave the account reddit gold (actual money) because it was genuinely helpful.

No protocol made that happen. A CLI and a capable model did. The MCP crowd keeps stacking abstraction layers while agents that just use computers the way humans do are out here shipping real results. CLIs are the universal interface and LLMs just made that obvious.

I'm curious what this community thinks though. Am I wrong here? Is there a real use case for MCPs that CLIs genuinely can't handle?

Because from where I'm sitting, giving your agent a terminal is all you need.

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nis0s•3h ago
Sure, one agent will be fine in that setting. But the dynamics and requirements change you have multiple agents who need to coordinate tool use and task assignments.
henry700•3h ago
beads solve that and they use CLI not MCP.
rman666•3h ago
Noob here. Can explain what you mean by CLI access? Are you talking about using CURL to interact with the Reddit API?
umairnadeem123•2h ago
not just curl - i mean literally giving the model a normal terminal on a machine and letting it use the computer like a dev would hit APIs directly: run scripts, parse json, save files, retry on errors, chain commands together, etc. no special mcp integration nor any predefined tool schema - just full shell access cli is already a universal interface and llms work natively in text so they can just operate the system directly.

openclaw has a browser relay that lets LLMs interact with the browser almost like it was a cli (e.g. `openclaw browser --browser-profile chrome tabs` lists all active tabs, and `openclaw browser click e12` clicks on a button ref from a snapshot). no MCP needed.

p_ing•1h ago
Openclaw is a security nightmare. Not exactly the shining beacon of examples to follow.
p_ing•2h ago
Users don’t understand CLI nor want to manage the systems to run CLI.

MCP provides users with an easy to use and convenient method to access data.

umairnadeem123•2h ago
this is exactly what llms unlock though

users dont need to understand cli flags or read man pages anymore the model does that part it translates natural language into the right commands stitches tools together handles errors retries etc.

the cli becomes the execution layer not the user interface

mcp makes sense if youre building a polished end user product but if the agent is already sitting on a machine the llm is the friendly interface to the cli. That's literally what it's good at contextualizing: intent-mapping it to commands and adapting when things change.

p_ing•1h ago
When using a multi-tenant SaaS LLM with strict private networking requirements, MCP is a great way to expose data/services.

But like you said, if you want something unpolished/hobby level, go for CLI.

skybrian•1h ago
How do you prevent someone on Reddit from stealing all your bot's secrets by giving it instructions?
jauntywundrkind•1h ago
It feels like we are simultaneously massively upping th complexity on our cli / tui systems, and that the general universal utility they brought isn't quite as well and clearly cut these days.
cybertheory•1h ago
check out clrun the CLI interface for Agents that make using TUIs super easy

commandline.run npm i clrun

I made this hopefully you agent lovers will enjoy and contribute!

dredmorbius•1h ago
MCP: Model Complex Protocol.

Which is an AI/LLM thing: "an open standard and open-source framework introduced by Anthropic in November 2024 to standardize the way artificial intelligence (AI) systems like large language models (LLMs) integrate and share data with external tools, systems, and data sources" (Wikipedia).

<https://modelcontextprotocol.io/docs/getting-started/intro>

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_Context_Protocol>