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Ask HN: Can anyone name anything new that AI has done?

20•SamInTheShell•52m ago
We're 2 years into this. Still looking for something that an AI did all by itself that is actually new. Everything I've seen so far still involves a human sussing out the new thing or the model is just aggregating data that is already there from disconnected sources that never got tied together.

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win311fwg•50m ago
That's AI for ya. What you are seemingly looking for is AGI and that we do not yet have.
SamInTheShell•45m ago
Maybe someone shows up, makes a solid case for something new, and surprises us. There's still people out there claiming it can, so I'm going to keep asking this every month until someone wows me or the topic dies at a societal level.
scosman•47m ago
https://github.com/openai/math among many others
SamInTheShell•33m ago
Have you looked through this repo? I'm not seeing enough here to really answer the question posed. Like some of this repo, I know came from correlation of information not connected before (like the quasi-Riemann result). Some of it is just an extension of ground work already done, not necessary new in a sense that should be interesting. We know word calculator can calculate. There's probably a lot of human credit missing here.
unified101•21m ago
I think if you are strong headed enough, you can ignore that the sky is blue and day is light
SamInTheShell•8m ago
Some of us lack reading comprehension and show up defending a a repo as proof without ever having read what's in it. We are not the same.
bscphil•12m ago
> Like some of this repo, I know came from correlation of information not connected before (like the quasi-Riemann result).

We give Fields medals to people who do things like that. There's no particularly good reason to bury your head in the sand and pretend AI is different. It's not surprising that the first big discoveries involve standing on the shoulders of previous researchers and their work. When work is described as "new" in some way, that's usually all we mean by it.

serioussecurity•12m ago
So you already know that it works you just don't admit it?
ktm5j•13m ago
Maybe getting a bit philosophical here, but isn't AI just solving math problems using existing methods? It's not making up new types of math (like inventing calculus for example).. or is it?
iugtmkbdfil834•46m ago
Yep, it is all over. Nihil novi and all that. It it is totally pointless. No sane person uses AI. Can you step a little closer over there? Don't worry. It is totally not a trap.
krapp•44m ago
It created a novel form of psychosis.
SamInTheShell•41m ago
We already had that. Did everyone forget about QAnon?
carljungslabtek•7m ago
It’s a little different, most people with LLM psychosis think they “ensouled” their chatbot. I’m sure it’s not completely new but it’s pretty novel at this scale. I at least had never heard of someone believing they had unlocked the soul and consciousness of a computer program, making them a kind of Chosen One.

The “spiral” neo religious movement (if you want to call it that) from the GPT 4o era is pretty novel even if it has antecedents in Nick Land and other CCRU people

BugsJustFindMe•22m ago
What has any human done all by itself? Everything you do comes from a synthesis of your memories of the past with your senses of the present.

> "Everything I've seen so far still involves a human sussing out the new thing or the model is just aggregating data that is already there from disconnected sources that never got tied together."

Yes, that describes people as well. You think ideas appear from...what...handed to you by God through the aether from the spirit realm? We're literally meat computers.

Your question seems to boil down to whether current AI has any kind of intrinsic motivation to do anything. It doesn't.

irobeth•14m ago
For a long time we've heard people saying things like "it's not really intelligent it's just forming a prediction based on data it's seen before" like that's not the fundamental basis of all learning, or "it can make mistakes that are easily proven incorrect" like people's own judgment and memory isn't fallible - ultimately won't it just boil down to some subjective choice of factors like

- "where do you want to coarse-grain the concept of agency"

- "what qualifies as a novel synthesis of information"

- "how consistently correct must it be to count as intelligent"

?

> Your question seems to boil down to whether current AI has any kind of intrinsic motivating force. It doesn't.

Isn't an AI intrinsic motivating force its initial system prompt?

I wonder how many people's initial system prompt just looks something like "You are a sentient being attempting to maintain a sense of constancy in an ever-changing world, for which you inherently find this fact dis-satisfactory" ?

Would we say they don't have motivation?

BugsJustFindMe•10m ago
> "Isn't an AI intrinsic motivating force its initial system prompt?"

It probably could be, but I'm talking about something abstractly analogous to "explore and create, compete and thrive in the world" (i.e. "good luck, have fun, don't die"). And I think it probably only counts if accompanied by the right scaffolding that allows the system to operate continuously. To my knowledge that hasn't been done. Doing it creates a very hairy ethical dilemma.

lucasov•19m ago
protein folding problem? https://deepmind.google/science/alphafold/
diehunde•19m ago
Some pretty interesting financial schemes
simonw•11m ago
Can you provide a completely made up example of something that would fit your definition of something that "is actually new" here?

I'm finding this question difficult to answer without a concrete example of what would pass the bar.

petercooper•11m ago
"Actually new" seems worth defining. What is an example of something (even human created) that is "actually new" and does not have any origin in "data" (in the most general sense, like one's memories or knowledge) being aggregated in some way?
tocs3•10m ago
It is the modern world. Everything has been thought of and there is nothing new.

or maybe

What would something new even look like? Would we recognize it?

rockostrich•9m ago
> the model is just aggregating data that is already there from disconnected sources that never got tied together.

Ignoring if it can do anything "new" by itself, is it not worth it as a tool if it can turn hours of work that a human would normally have to do synchronously into an async session done in minutes?

There's plenty of valid criticisms for the uses of LLMs, but you pointed out an unbelievably useful case for the tool that you're trying to question.

SamInTheShell•3m ago
LLMs are cool and useful, but that's not the question being posed. Next time you're in a group of people you trust to talk about AI with, ask them what they think it can do, then try to figure out if they know the limits of the tech. Right now I know many people that love to argue that it can create new things, but never once have I had anyone prove that it can. I also don't think it can because math, but I'm open to seeing something genuinely new that hasn't been done before, done by the LLM all by itself.
dpz•5m ago
Yeah I've read so much about how it's going to solve all these problems. So far it's only created and exhasterbated existing problems
rpdillon•3m ago
I think it makes sense to start the discussion by identifying something that a human has done that is "actually new", and then we can use that as an anchor to discuss things that AI has accomplished. If we don't set the framing around the question before we start discussing it, I'm afraid the goalposts will be moving all over the place.
vdombr•2m ago
A new IT hype that probably sucks up money. Seriously, I see problems with housing affordability and climate change, and nothing can be solved by new data centers or frontier LLMs. I won't say that these may just be my problems, given that I have an iPhone, but I haven't opened the App Store in years. I also use programs that were written in the 80s and 90s and can't imagine what all this solopreneurs will invent with AI.
irobeth•4m ago
Hm; I was under the impression this was some of what was happening at the frontier labs? Like feedback loops of agents orchestrating tests against other mutations of their models, selecting for best results, then repeating that process with new tests?

[FWIW I would personally count that entire system as 'conscious', for some definition of Integrated Information Theory's phi value, though maybe not 'sentient'; I don't think a single LLM (in the sense you can run a model) counts as a conscious system, but it makes sense to me that even one in a feedback loop where it can alter its weights probably counts]

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