the last LTS release 24.04 has had more instability (lockups) than any previous LTS Ubuntu in memory.. even with `snapd` removed; also `snap` has the marks of an anti-feature
everdrive•2h ago
I was trying to solve the snaps problem right before I finally abandoned Ubuntu. I was running some Ubuntu de-crapifier script from GitHub, which sort of worked but also caused some weird problems. It occurred to me that if my first steps for a new OS installion were to get rid of all the vendor-forced crap, I was lurching towards a Microsoft experience. I bounced around to a few OSes before settling on Fedora, which as been good but not perfect.
freedomben•2h ago
I was a heavy Ubuntu user for a few years as well and had a similar experience. The Fedora way is a little bit different and does take a bit of getting used to, but I've been on Fedora now for many years and am extremely happy.
RadiozRadioz•2h ago
If you want Ubuntu but without all the crap that Canonical adds, that's literally Debian
mixmastamyk•1h ago
Mint is good too, you get a lot of niceties without snap noise.
pseudalopex•57m ago
Debian's release cycle is 2 years. Fedora's is 6 months.
RadiozRadioz•43m ago
Fedora is not related to Debian or Ubuntu, so is not a true replacement.
PS I hear this release cycle thing quite a bit, what's the benefit? What software are you using that requires bleeding edge packages that can't be containerized?
dlachausse•2h ago
Why run Ubuntu if feel so strongly about snap? There are so many other distros that don’t use it.
goosedragons•2h ago
Besides snaps it has a good mix of things. I am more familiar with apt, it tends to have better hardware support than it's peers, makes it easy to run proprietary codecs or drivers, has a lot of packages and repos.
I recently switched to Debian to get away from Ubuntu CONSTANTLY forcing the Firefox snap over the Deb I purposefully installed. It's fine but I keep running into little things like the kernel being too old for my GPU, missing codecs for Zoom, etc. It's a little irritating in that regard. I guess I could have picked Mint but it still had an older kernel so even then it wouldn't have been trouble free.
I would still be on Ubuntu if it just respected Firefox being a Deb. I tried many guides and times to get it to not use the snap and nothing worked on 24.04 so I gave up. I wouldn't even care if the snap version at least operated the same as the deb version.
cyberbanjo•1h ago
install_firefox() {
source /etc/os-release
printf "Package: snapd
Pin: release a=\*
Pin-Priority: -10" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/preferences.d/nosnap.pref
sudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:mozillateam/ppa
sudo apt update -y
sudo apt install -y -t 'o=LP-PPA-mozillateam' firefox
printf "%s" "Unattended-Upgrade::Allowed-Origins:: \"LP-PPA-mozillateam:${UBUNTU_CODENAME}\";" | sudo tee /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/51unattended-upgrades-firefox
printf "Package: firefox\*
Pin: release o=LP-PPA-mozillateam
Pin-Priority: 501" | sudo tee /etc/apt/preferences.d/mozillateamppa
}
remove_snaps() {
sudo snap remove --purge firefox
sudo snap remove --purge snap-store
sudo snap remove --purge gnome-3-38-2004
sudo snap remove --purge gtk-common-themes
sudo snap remove --purge snapd-desktop-integration
sudo snap remove --purge bare
sudo snap remove --purge core20
sudo snap remove --purge snapd
sudo apt remove --autoremove snapd -y
cat <<EOF | sudo tee /etc/apt/preferences.d/nosnap.pref
# To prevent repository packages from triggering the installation of Snap,
# this file forbids snapd from being installed by APT.
# For more information: https://linuxmint-user-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/snap.html
Package: snapd
Pin: release a=*
Pin-Priority: -10
EOF
sudo umount /var/snap
}
dlachausse•1h ago
Why not use Linux Mint? It’s Ubuntu with additional polish and no snaps.
pavel_lishin•1h ago
What a wonderful comment to read minutes after I installed it over my previous 20.04 :)
mistrial9•43m ago
ok but it is not the comment that is your new problem
jaredhallen•1h ago
I've used Ubuntu for many things for many years. I'm not swearing off it, necessarily. But I'm using Arch a lot more these days.
teddy-smith•2h ago
I like Ubuntu. I just want stuff to work out the box so I can do my job and Ubuntu does that well enough.
daveslash•27m ago
Regarding "work out of the box".... I started using Ubuntu with Breezy Badger (5.10). In those days, I had been goofing around with Mandrake (RIP, now Mandriva), Fedora Core 4, Knoppix 3.4, and Suse 10. Back then, it was so frustrating to just play an mp3 file, get Wi-Fi working, etc... Maybe it's because I was a lot younger and didn't know what I was doing. But it was also because a lot of drivers and codecs were protected under Intellectual Property rights. Ubuntu let you click a button to install all the codecs! They said "Hey, you legally aren't supposed to use these codecs. Are you sure you want to install them? [Yes] [ No]" -- and we all just hit yes. That's all it took to get your multimedia to play! Boom, easy! Even if not strictly legal. That was a needle mover for Ubuntu adoption, imho.
mistrial9•3h ago
everdrive•2h ago
freedomben•2h ago
RadiozRadioz•2h ago
mixmastamyk•1h ago
pseudalopex•57m ago
RadiozRadioz•43m ago
PS I hear this release cycle thing quite a bit, what's the benefit? What software are you using that requires bleeding edge packages that can't be containerized?
dlachausse•2h ago
goosedragons•2h ago
I recently switched to Debian to get away from Ubuntu CONSTANTLY forcing the Firefox snap over the Deb I purposefully installed. It's fine but I keep running into little things like the kernel being too old for my GPU, missing codecs for Zoom, etc. It's a little irritating in that regard. I guess I could have picked Mint but it still had an older kernel so even then it wouldn't have been trouble free.
I would still be on Ubuntu if it just respected Firefox being a Deb. I tried many guides and times to get it to not use the snap and nothing worked on 24.04 so I gave up. I wouldn't even care if the snap version at least operated the same as the deb version.
cyberbanjo•1h ago
dlachausse•1h ago
pavel_lishin•1h ago
mistrial9•43m ago
jaredhallen•1h ago