Men should be moved to their own separate social and professional clubs, where they can't disenfranchise anybody.
People seem to have an opinion that reflects the nature of both points here.
And presumably that's a mixed group of men and women, because heterogenous groups wrt sex/gender are better.
Some groups have some explicable defensible necessity for the discrimination. People would indeed have a different opinion about a man violating his way into a group for women recovering from being violated by men. This mgaician group can not, or at least has not, produce any such justification of fundamentally unavoidable necessity.
And the group has to actually be merely a social club as they said. They used those words as part of their argument, so you can't consider any groups with any kind of material consequences when comparing "but what if a man did it". If a man is a knitter and there was agroup that billed itself as the worlds best knitters, that is a material consequence. There is a badge that is recognized as indicating the best, and they meet the standard, yet they can not have that badge that tells clients that they meet the standard. This group does appear to have that quality at least somewhat, and so is not just a "social club".
And so the argument is just gratifying garbage.
> When the Circle announced it was permitting women to join later that year, Ms Lloyd revealed her deception, prompting the society to expel her at the very same meeting it admitted its first female magicians.
> But the Magic Circle did not take kindly to the news. The duo got a letter saying that Raymond had been expelled, and in October 1991, at the first meeting accepting women into the society, Ms Lloyd was kicked out.
Interesting—there was a fantasy novel with much the same premise that came out in early 1992—The Lark and the Wren. Just with bards, instead of magicians. I wonder if these real events were an inspiration?
Plus a few racists.
schiffern•9mo ago
You would think that magicians, of all people, would appreciate a well-executed and harmless deception. More proof that no matter who you are, nobody likes being the butt of the trick...