Inmates in ElSalvador tortured/strangled-hellish conditions in Bukele's prisons (2023)

https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-05-29/inmates-in-el-salvador-tortured-and-strangled-a-report-denounces-hellish-conditions-in-bukeles-prisons.html

57•nobody9999•5h ago

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nobody9999•5h ago

N.B: From 2023. Title was already too long to add the date.

Original title:

Inmates in El Salvador tortured and strangled: A report denounces hellish conditions in Bukele’s prisons

devrandoom•3h ago

Handy that's outside US and not their responsibility. Remember that Auschwitz was also outside Germany.

freen•3h ago

A certain somebody also loved their tariffs.

freen•3h ago

The cruelty is the point.

OutOfHere•2h ago

It is a concentration camp, not a prison.

BSDobelix•2h ago

From 2021 to 2024, the homicide rate in El Salvador decreased by 10 times [1]. Sure, torture is terrible in El Salvador's prison, as it is in Guantánamo's "prison", but public safety is the number one priority for any government, without safety any other achievement for a country is impossible.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_El_Salvador

ForHackernews•1h ago

This is a deeply anti-American, authoritarian sentiment.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ~ Benjamin Franklin

lostmsu•1h ago

How would you compare torture to civil war AKA mass murder?

soganess•1h ago

I would reject the comparison as a false dichotomy. The world's political systems can't just be bimodal distribution of ineffectual neolibs and self-styled 'strong man' autocracts.

lostmsu•1h ago

I didn't ask to choose one or the other, therefore there's no dichotomy, therefore there's no false dichotomy.

ForHackernews•58m ago

I don't understand the question either. "Compare" in what way? Both torture and civil war are bad, but they're not similar or analogous.

How would you compare child abuse to famine?

lostmsu•52m ago

In the context of the quote you mentioned.

BSDobelix•55m ago

>This is a deeply anti-American, authoritarian sentiment. "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." ~ Benjamin Franklin

Are you talking about Guantanamo or El Salvador? Because in El Salvador civilians had neither Liberty (not wander the street without fear) nor Safety (been shot).

Also i don't know why El Salvador should use the US or Franklin as a template.

However the US still has the Patriot Act, attacked Iraq and gained no Liberty nor Safety out of it.

exceptione•1h ago

  > Sure, torture is terrible

This is where your program corrupts the stack.

BSDobelix•43m ago

Yep, a Government should never do what Criminals/Terrorist do, for example the death sentence, let prisoner being raped by others(unofficial-torture), official-torture in Guantanamo or targeted killings, the US that is.

bitbasher•1h ago

It's difficult to feel any compassion for offenders associated with gangs and violence.

estebarb•1h ago

Without fair trial there is no proof they are associated with gangs and violence. Thousands of innocents are jailed in there.

https://www.rfi.fr/es/programas/noticias-de-am%C3%A9rica/202...

BSDobelix•21m ago

>no proof they are associated with gangs and violence

Look at the picture in your linked article, who are you trying to confuse?

>Thousands of innocents are jailed in there.

Maybe, maybe not. But definitely better than ~10000 killed in the meantime, the statistics speak for themselves.

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