If we want remote work and remote education to work better (and I think we should), we will need better identity checking. Would it really be that hard to make something like using a notary scale?
Silicon Valley is built by Russian money in VC funds being spent on North Korean employees.
It's fraud when you misrepresent yourself as not-north korean, just like if a chinese manufacturer represents their widget as non-chinese.
no work authorization to being paid by a US company
sanctions violations
misrepresenting at all (I think tech hiring should be double-blind though)
and given that some employers combat this by asking candidates to insult Kim Jong Un, this is a legal problems in North Korea if the candidate passes!
but to me, these are all fake problems. these are competent human beings that are just doing the job description. not leaving backdoors, not taking trade secrets. just “owning” the signup page of the same pointless copycat startup as any American dev.
Going back to my previous comment, do you think a chinese manufacturer labeling their products as non-chinese is also a "fake problem"? After all, if the product works as advertised, and is the same quality as the japanese/german equivalent, who cares?
Why not? You're making the argument that north korean lying about where they're from is fine because they're "just doing the job description". However, if you think that chinese goods should be properly labeled, even if they're effectively the same as non-chinese goods, it stands to reason that north korean labor should be properly labeled, even if they're effectively the same thing. Failure to address this inconsistency makes your reasoning seem capricious and unpersuasive.
its prudent to identify and never engage in a strawman fallacy, which involves introducing an argument that was never the one under discussion in order to discredit the one that was, in amusing textbook fashion you follow this with
> Failure to address this inconsistency makes your reasoning seem capricious and unpersuasive
When the typical straw man argument creates the illusion of having refuted or defeated an opponent's proposition through the covert replacement of it with a different proposition
looks like we are at an impasse, but maybe you can find someone else to engage with
I'm not sure what your basis for the "strawman fallacy" is from. If you read my comments carefully, I've never claimed that you supposed mislabeled chinese goods, only that it's the logical conclusion if you support workers lying about where they're from. That's not the same as strawman.
>[...] do you think a chinese manufacturer labeling their products as non-chinese is also a "fake problem?
>However, if you think that chinese goods should be properly labeled [...]
(emphasis mine)
Now that I restated my argument more clearly, why don't you think the two cases can be equated? You haven't address aside from casually dismissing it with "I think they are separate problems in isolation".
I'm not sure what introspective capabilities this analogy is supposed to illuminate and I don't find them related. I have no opinion on your example at all, aside from not seeing it to bolster or discredit my thoughts on the regulations of my example.
Maybe it's not this but point is, just make the person do some IRL action. Visit the registrars office to get an ID photocopied, or something like that. It's great to have everything online now, but it doesn't have to be 100% all the time. Just streamline the IRL part as much as possible and keep it as a security check in the process if nothing else.
California and the federal government collects taxes and processes tax returns, right? Why can't payments be made through the same system? That'd probably reduce fraud by an order of magnitude.
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