For bulk imports, the wholesale price is lower, so you may only have to pay up to 2.25x wholesale.
Why?
People fly to Miami to buy a MacBook and iPhone and take it back in their luggage because even with the cost of the flight and hotel, it's cheaper than buying it locally. Just get rid of the packaging and put some apps and files on them so they don't look new.
But no way am I spending that.
Oh dear, I suspect Andrew Cunningham will be making Trump's little black book.
I recorded a video of me reading Hacker News on my eink android phone and Kindle here. It actually works great.
Apps used are EinkBro browser and Ktool. The browser is an android apk and lets you “page turn” websites with volume buttons. Ktool converts hacker news discussions to well formatted epubs for kindle.
Definitely loving the rise of e-paper. As someone who spends a large portion of every day looking at a screen, it is just so much more comfortable than staring at a flashlight. Definitely exciting that we're starting to see innovation in this space again!
The biggest cons for me are:
- without using the backlight, the battery lasts on the order of days vs e-ink which can last on the order of weeks or longer. With the backlight I can drain it in a day.
- The display is not as reflective as traditional e-ink, so there are lots of lighing environments where e-ink can be comfortably used without a backlight, but the Daylight would be difficult to use. Natural outdoor daylight (as the name suggests) or well lit indoor environments are perfectly fine to get away without the backlight though.
- The lack of a camera can lead to tricky situations sometimes. I have to use an alternative client for Signal (Molly) to be able to use it as my primary device, because the Signal app requires you scan a QR code to pair with a desktop. USB cameras are arbitrarily blocked too, I tried.
For me, the fact that it's smooth enough to be able to watch videos without a hiccup, be smooth for any kind of input, and treats me like an adult out-weigh the cons. I use it more than any other computer, but I also don't feel the same attachment to it like I used to have with my phone. It's great and I highly recommend it if you can afford it.
Yes, but that is intentionally rejected by the Signal app.
> Or will it take a USB camera as an addon for this temporary need?
See:
> USB cameras are arbitrarily blocked too, I tried.
The only way to use Signal and pair it with other devices is to use a different app without these arbitrary restrictions like Molly.
Slow monochrome eInk panels have been around for 2 decades. Mostly built into pocket book readers, phones (like Motorola F3) and niche devices like supermarket price tags rather than computer monitors attachable with common connectors.
Okay, perhaps it's not the speed which makes them expensive, yet manufacturers and researchers mostly brag about making them faster (and more colorful) rather than making them more cheap (what I would prefer them to).
it seems like the company with e-ink patents might be like luxottica controlling the eyeglass market.
Also I would suspect the high refresh rate isn't the main cost driver here. You can simply refresh eink displays with different methods that offer different trade offs
I can imagine that a somewhat responsive display would also be important for vim users.
I wish you get what you want soon. Nevertheless I would prefer there to be a cheaper option for those who only need to read static documents or watch dashboards of information which doesn't change fast.
> You can simply refresh eink displays with different methods that offer different trade offs
Needless to say eInk displays aren't meant to refresh the same way classic displays do. Only the regions which actually change are supposed to redraw. 1 Hz doesn't mean the whole panel is fully reset 60 times every minute, only that it takes a second to display a change. Is this what you mean?
If you are going to use these on a computer at all you need some sort of high refresh mode. Things like scrolling and typing are just way too annoying without it.
I hate scrolling and hardly ever scroll really - I just use multiple vertical displays to fit every page fully, only switching pages. Surely this whole discussion thread can't be fit in a screen but I'm perfectly comfortable "scrolling" it with PgDn.
I'm used to slow-response typing (waiting for seconds before a word I typed appears when using modern software on old PCs). In fact I don't even look at the screen when I type until I finish a sentence - despite typing fairly fast I have a habit of looking at the keyboard. I don't mean this is a right way to type yet it proves seeing characters displayed immediately is not essential.
Messenger apps even have separate panes for displaying message threads and for editing the message you are going to submit - I could put these on separate displays (if the apps would allow moving panels around the way classic desktop apps did).
In fact there already are some projects of eInk-orientd OSes (e.g. MuditaOS). I don't know how good they really are though.
High efficiency computing where we dont update the screen until absolutely necessary. Efficiency isn't just good for mobile/battery devices, it's good for everything.
Counterargument at https://www.reddit.com/r/Onyx_Boox/comments/19czc16/a_genera...
For the curious, I'm thinking that emacs on this in the garden sun will work well, and there's a vesa mount to strap a mini-pc to.
edit: got a holding message from their Europe store, we're in "the May Day holiday from May 1 to May 5", which presumably means nothing much happens until that ends.
the issue is that they are optimizing for a stationary desktop.
what we actually want is a portable secondary monitor that I can use vscode in the sunshine. I would sacrifice Hz rate for that.
unsure if that boox one is the ticket
I found a 13.3in eink display on Amazon, but it only has a ">1s" refresh rate. Others can take 10s of seconds.
[0] https://www.amazon.com/Waveshare-13-3inch-HAT-Raspberry-1600...
But an affordable 20" one would be great. 500 USD and I am in!
addoo•9mo ago
My first thought was ‘this already existed, I could have bought virtually the same product already.’ …Which the article acknowledges even. Odd title.
I really wish that e-ink could be unshackled. I really love e-ink, I ordered Dasung’s latest portable monitor because I read on my computer a lot (which I’d love to you for work, but for a myriad of reasons I can’t… at least I can use it personally). My smart[ish] watch has an e-ink display. I’d love to see more products and more competition in the space, but sadly that doesn’t seem like it’ll happen.
perrygeo•9mo ago
skerit•9mo ago
This reminds me of how "the first color e-ink reader" came out a few years ago, even though I already bought one 10 years ago, and even THAT one wasn't the first.