Some teachers will use the ZPD to defend giving students work that is challenging.
Some teachers will use the ZPD to defend giving students work that is not challenging.
(Yes, obviously it's about finding some optimal point, but aside from the existence of some kind of optimal point of challenge there's not going to be any agreement).
Vyvotsky had some opinions, but virtually no-one reads his work, just summaries from the text book or picks up the term from papers that cite him (did the author of the paper even read his work? does it matter?).
It's just, like, words, and words don't mean anything in continental philosophical fields. They're just noises you make to gather the sound of a consensus among people who actually disagree. No surprise that any decent articles on teacher concepts come from scientists (e.g. psychologists) more often than teaching theorists.
To be just out of the comfort zone, it should be just more challenging than the current student abilities.
Can you explain their view?
The compressed textbook derivatives are obviously not an exercise in “continental philosophy,” an undergrad text for teachers is just going to give surface-level descriptions of concepts rather than any kind of actual philosophical discussion.
And if you read what I said, I wasn't having a go at Vygotsky. I was having a go at most of the people who cite him (which implies they read his work, but I often suspect they didn't).
If you want to disagree with me, fine, but I'm saying that teaching is largely taught in academia in a kind of continental philosophy approach in the anglosphere, which means that Vygotsky is largely treated in academia as fodder for that.
what is that even? How is Vygotsky related to "continental philosophy"?
> No surprise that any decent articles on teacher concepts come from scientists (e.g. psychologists) more often than teaching theorists.
Vygotsky was a psychologist...
Did I originally say it in a way that is hard to follow? Though you cut the first quotation short which makes me think you're trying to disagree with something I didn't actually say.
meristohm•9mo ago