Who is it leading?
Shit rolls downhill alright, but the buck stops with whoever is holding it. And who is holding it?
The American lifestyle pollutes twice as much as the European one which already pollutes like 5x too much to be sustainable (as per the targets most countries collectively agreed to) if everyone had access to it
We designed systems in which the simple fact of being alive is already not sustainable, it's OK to feel bad about it but you can't really deny it
Edit: and out of these 8-9b a good 30% just want a proper shelter, reliable access to clean water and proper nutrition, I don't think it's an outrageous request and I don't see why it upsets your feeling. We're a long way from them requesting American mcmansions with a 4 car garage, 5 hvac units, a jacuzzi, &c.
Count me in that exact demographic. Pill swallowed - long ago.
Still: humanity's dealings are unsustainable, period. The way I see it, there's a few ways out:
# Large scale conflict (nukes deployed?), human civilization thrown back to a dark age. Grim, but more sustainable than today!
# Technology: 'synthetic' foods, regenerative agriculture, fusion power, etc. It helps, but don't hold your breath.
# Get our numbers down. Yeah this is not a popular subject. But the sheer no. of humans is a big part of the problem.
# Out of control consumerism, fast fashion etc must be curbed. Starting with the 1..10% wealthiest people looks like low-hanging fruit to me. 'Wild' example: an immediate, worldwide ban on mega-yachts would hurt no-one.
# Fossil fuels must go.
Attacking all these angles simultaneouly (& co-operating / co-ordinating where possible) is the only way to avert a worldwide chaos/conflict scenario.
How is this not a statement of the obvious? Its good analyse the data to check for surprises, but any other result would be a huge surprise.
Zero percent. Folks who scream about the hypocrisy of it would not change anything, those who don't care will continue to not care. It would result in some media fluff pieces and that's about it. Sort of like Jimmy Carter living frugally and avoiding conflicts of interest - neat to read about, people might like him more, but it didn't change a damn thing in the larger picture.
A single person no matter how rich or wasteful changing their consumptive behavior simply doesn't matter. It's a systems problem. Putting resources towards changing the system is what matters - not any individual sacrifice.
I learned this lesson the extremely hard way growing up in basic enforced poverty for environment reasons. It was a sacrifice only my family saw, no one else gave any shits other than lip service. It just scales higher when uber-rich. No one changed their behavior after talking to us and seeing how we also walked the walk. We just got some nice platitudes sent our way while they enjoyed far more luxurious lives and laughed at us in private.
Recent world-wide political events should also make it crystal clear "society" cares literally nothing about hypocrisy. It's only used as something to screech about when you disagree with whomever is engaging in it.
The leap happens when the authors label this disparity an "injustice". That’s the normative leap: a moral framing imposed on the empirical data. Then they take it further, using that framing to justify a global wealth tax and polluter-pays schemes. That’s political activism under the guise of science. These scientists are operating far outside their domain of expertise when they weigh in on global tax policy, especially when they give credence to a wealth tax, whic has been rejected by many economists as hard to enforce, easy to game, and extremely likely to do far more harm than good.
This ideological current also shows up in the lack of balance. You won’t find parallel studies quantifying the benefits high-income groups have generated — foreign investment, export demand, capital formation, innovation, and philanthropy. These forces have driven the most dramatic poverty reduction in human history and unprecedented gains in life expectancy and infant survival. But those facts don’t fit the narrative.
The same asymmetry shows up in how CO₂ is treated. NASA’s 2016 satellite study found that elevated CO₂ levels was the primary cause of global green cover increasing by 30% between 1982 and 2015 (source: https://www.nasa.gov/centers-and-facilities/goddard/carbon-d...). That’s a massive, measurable fertilization effect, with huge positive implications for agricultural production and the fight against desertification. Yet it’s completely absent from the discussion.
The data is useful but the framing isn’t neutral.
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