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Let's Talk About the Bidet, the Bathroom's Best-Kept Secret

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36•ohjeez•9mo ago

Comments

andsoitis•9mo ago
So timely. I’m shopping for a bidet and looking for one that’s an add-on to existing toilet rather than installing a free-standing one.

I also know that you can buy toilet/bidet combos so I’m also open to replacing my existing toilet with one of those.

What bidets do people have experience with and would recommend?

idontwantthis•9mo ago
Get a “bum gun”. No need for a separate device. It connects to the toilet’s inflow.
skylurk•9mo ago
Seconded.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidet_shower

margalabargala•9mo ago
Almost all the "built in" ones are functionally the same as the "add on" ones, the main difference being the guarantee of good seat fit.

In all cases the actual toilet is made of porcelain, which as you might imagine does not lend itself well to installing motors and electronics. Even for units that are sold as a combo, the bidet is built into the seat/lid, which is exactly how the add-ons work.

I installed one of these on an existing toilet in my house and it was fine: https://alphabidet.com/products/alpha-ix-pure-bidet-seat

I've since swapped out to a different toilet that came with a built in bidet and it's also fine, not markedly better.

If you're replacing the whole toilet might as well just get an all in one with the guaranteed fit. If you weren't going to, there's no reason not to just get the seat.

wintermutestwin•9mo ago
Features I have and think aren't worth paying more for:

1. Dryer. None of them push anywhere near enough air to do anything useful. I use a hair blow dryer.

2. Hot water. Although it is a bit of a shock, I prefer cold water as it helps shrink the hemorrhoidal tissues. Wife disagrees with this one so we set it on the lowest heat and I keep spraying until it gets cold.

Japan has these everywhere and 95% of them are Toto brand so that's what I went with and it has been great.

ijustlovemath•9mo ago
I've been using a Brondell Thinline for just over 5 years now; It's got a great design (accidentally bumping into it turns it onto the clean rather than spray mode), looks like it's part of the toilet (unlike the vast majority of the ones you see on Amazon), and very easy to use. Cheap as well!

People who haven't used a bidet before balk at the cold water, but honestly I think when you really need a bidet, the cold water is a godsend. And if you want heat, I think just throwing in more pressure does the same kinda job. Plus it's one less set of valves to have to worry about!

If you really hate it, you're only out $30, which I think is not that bad.

dzhiurgis•9mo ago
I’ve got chinese seat and very old Japanese one. Happy with both of them. Make sure new ones have a remote and fits your toilet. It’s pretty easy to install.

The nice thing with integrated ones is auto closing and auto flushing. Would love that but it’s so expensive.

Tagbert•9mo ago
Another vote for Toto add-on bidets. Yes, the dryer is pointless. Just use a few sheets of TP for that. I do like the warm water douche, though. Seems to have plenty of pressure. There is a wider, softer mode, too.
fithisux•9mo ago
Can't live without one.

I do not have space, but a good plumber made me one with the seat and a hose (similar to shower) from the the common water distributor.

vel0city•9mo ago
Careful for the cheap bidet add-ons you'll find on Amazon and what not. A friend had one fall apart in an upstairs bathroom while he was on a weekend getaway. Now half his house is flooded out.
haiku2077•9mo ago
One of the most valuable purchases I've made for my home are water sensors that can remotely close my main valve.
protimewaster•9mo ago
Do you know of one of these that can work with an outdoor, underground main valve? It seems like the vast majority I've seen either need mains electricity access (which isn't readily available underground in the front yard where the valve is) or aren't fully weather proof (which is a problem when the valve sump fills up during large rains), or both.
haiku2077•9mo ago
I do not. I plan to have my underground irrigation valve brought up to the surface when it next needs maintenance.
burnt-resistor•9mo ago
Have 2 Washlét S550e that are about 4 years old. Customer service is excellent. The only downsides are no bowl light while lid raised and both randomly lifts the lid with no one there.
bombcar•9mo ago
I have yet to find a bidet that works like a power washer for the beef starfish.

Instead, they all seem to just get your bum wet, so you have to get in there and dig around. Might as well strip down and jump in the shower - the power spray on any decent nozzle is way better.

Or buy some wet-wipes (baby wipes) and just don't flush them.

codelikeawolf•9mo ago
I just added "beef starfish" to my personal encyclopedia of hilarious terms. Thank you for making my day!
SAI_Peregrinus•9mo ago
I got a no-name handheld sprayer[1] back in early 2020. It'll absolutely work like a power washer if you turn the T-valve all the way on. That can be painful, probably best to keep the pressure a bit lower.

[1] https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DR83GQB

slillibri•9mo ago
The Toto washlets I used in Japan were plenty powerful, plus they had adjustments for pressure and temperature.
hammyhavoc•9mo ago
If these are bidets that are plumbed into the mains supply, then yes, water pressure is too low in many places. I'm fortunate to live in an area of England where it's like pressure washing your patio—that jet of water can most definitely cut your paper-thin arse tissue if you crank it and aren't careful (been there, done that—still love it six years on).
srean•9mo ago
I find health faucets http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidet_shower quite effective, except that one time it went terribly wrong. These are essentially telephone showers installed next to the toilet. You switch them on using a valve/trigger and then manually direct the fire. Simple, cheap, no fuss.

This little guy, however, turned out to be a closet fire hose. It pretty much went from 0 to 1000 gallons per sec in an instant and just wouldn't let up. The valve was stuck. The extension hose was twisting and coiling around like crazy with the pressure released. The shower head was going full blast in my hand, initially directed at my rear, it was continuously pushing my hand away from anything that I was trying to point it towards. It give me a visceral understanding of how jet engines work.

Working out a sequence of operations in my head to get out of such a situation while caught in a compromised and inflexible position, with only one hand free, was quite a challenge. I am not quite sure if I should be thankful that it wasnt AI powered and directed.

If the pressure is low it can be quite unsatisfactory.

The first Japanese ones I used there were ways to choose between a laminar and degrees of non-laminar, to full-on turbulent flow (all those controls must be for something), I would expect the former to be somewhat less flinch inducing. And it really tickles the shit out of you ! (no pun intended)

cosmotic•9mo ago
I thought this the first few days I was in Japan. I was only giving it 30sec or so. Apparently you're supposed to spray for a minute. Never had a problem after that.
atombender•9mo ago
We have the Geberit AquaClean Tuma Comfort [1]. It's a marvel of German engineering. The jet is really powerful. Painfully so, on the highest setting, and it can also be set to be really hot.

It's an entire bidet toilet for wall integration, not one of those things you put on top of an existing toilet. It has a heated seat, a suction fan that removes odor, and a dryer for after washing.

[1] https://www.geberit-global.com/bathroom-products/wcs-urinals...

burnt-resistor•9mo ago
Washlét S550e can deliver painful heated water pressure, agitation, and can be moved front to back. If you wait, it can do the job.

Wet wipes produce waste, cost money, and either clog pipes or stink.

datapolitical•9mo ago
I’ve always found this YouTube video on Bidets fairly instructive: https://youtu.be/zQx-ZbSQSBM?si=7YB6FYq6xdpH5wn3
wintermutestwin•9mo ago
If you have any issues talking family member into a bidet, I used this on my teenagers with much success:

"If you got poop on your arm, would you just wipe it off with paper?"

amonavis•9mo ago
I use the bidet every time I go to the bathroom for a #2, but the analogy you share doesn't really make much impact. The arm is in close proximity of the head and face, it's "there", but the anus is hidden and "far" and this some may feel unbothered with a non-immaculate routine.
unshavedyak•9mo ago
The analogy also falls apart in that I also wouldn’t just run some water over my arm either lol. I’d use some form of soap and water, possibly even anti bacterial given the subject matter.

We have a long hand scrubbing routine, I’d expect similar for my arm at the very least.

subpixel•9mo ago
Bidets are great but they don’t magically wash your bits. It’s best to think of them as a very small shower that just addresses that part of the body.

Make no mistake, soap and friction at required, just like in a larger shower - especially under the circumstances a bidet is designed to address.

burnt-resistor•9mo ago
Then you have a cheap one. The high-end ones can deliver almost painful pressured water and agitation patterns.
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF•9mo ago
Not sure about cheap versus expensive. I have a $20, purely mechanical one which has an almost painful maximum pressure. No programmed patterns, though. (For what it’s worth, this $20 cheap-o still makes a big difference.)
burnt-resistor•9mo ago
The ability to aim is pretty definitive. I'm sure that it could be implemented for less than $100 rather than luxury brands costing 10x more.
viewtransform•9mo ago
Add 1 tbsp psyllium husk to your diet so pooping is like extruding pasta instead of an EBM (explosive bowel movement). Second, learn how to twerk.
snvzz•8mo ago
I live in Japan.

My own bidet has quite the pressure and movement pattern. I still use paper afterwards, but typically all it does is dry.

emchammer•9mo ago
How does it work logistically when it is a separate unit from the toilet? Are you supposed to shuffle over from the toilet to the bidet with your garments open?
burnt-resistor•9mo ago
Nope. Extremely impractical. Better and simpler to retrofit an existing toilet (preferred) or have a toilet that includes the function (very expensive in the US).
arde•9mo ago
Yes. One might want to take care of the main stuff the usual way at least in part before passing on to the bidet, though, so as not to risk soiling. Source: Argentina, land of bidets.
burnt-resistor•9mo ago
TOTO Washlét S550e retrofit works great. Heated seat, heated air dry, auto lid raise/close, and gets the job done. The only thing is the auto lid function periodically thinks ghosts need to go. ;)
nineplay•9mo ago
"Best kept secret"? People have been raving about then non-stop since the first great toilet paper shortage.
NalNezumi•9mo ago
A cheaper option is to buy a portable battery driven washlet/bidet. Super cheap, around 20$, can be washed and also used with hot water and brought around (office, travel).