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CrowdStrike CEO cuts his voting power by 92% with unexplained gifts

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126•wslh•9mo ago

Comments

wslh•9mo ago
https://archive.is/elJzB
__alexs•9mo ago
Is this 1 or 2 large customers taking a massive stake to avoid the business getting sued into the ground? Or perhaps dumping equity by the backdoor because they are about to get sued into the ground?
duxup•9mo ago
It’s classified as a gift, like a charitable donation possibly.
cj•9mo ago
No, when you gift anything over $19,000 (I think) you need to file a "gift tax return", and the IRS taxes the gift accordingly.

Almost certainly not classified as a charitable donation.

yojo•9mo ago
Minor note: the overage from $19k isn’t auto-taxed, it is just recorded and counts against your $14M-ish lifetime gift tax exemption (also relevant for estate tax).

In this case, he obviously blows past that limit quickly.

_QrE•9mo ago
According to the article, the CEO sold stock, and gifted stock to at least four trusts that have, in turn, sold the stock gifted:

> Subsequent filings from four trusts show that about half of his gifted shares were transferred to them. Those trusts have in turn sold most of the shares they reported receiving, netting at least $1.2 billion in proceeds so far.

Seems like the CEO thinks that it's downhill from here; I'm not sure what other reason there would be to do this.

pc86•9mo ago
> A spokesperson for CrowdStrike said the filings reflected estate planning and philanthropic activities

Estate planning is very likely code for tax avoidance. I know basically nothing about Kurtz, I would venture this is all going to family and structuring this staggering generational wealth so they don't overpay taxes.

lotsofpulp•9mo ago
Estate planning is about avoiding probate courts. It makes the transfer of control of assets much cleaner with almost no risk someone (e.g. an aggrieved family member) can tie it up in courts for who knows how long. It’s why you see even average personal homes placed in trusts.
pc86•9mo ago
The average personal home is absolutely not placed in a trust. It can be but moving your residence into a trust for estate planning purposes is not a common thing.
toast0•9mo ago
It depends on the state. california is known for expensive probate and has a lot of turnkey trust attorneys with strong marketting. I still don't know that 'the average personal home' is in a trust there, but there are lots of 'average personal homes' held in trust, not just big fancy houses.

OTOH, California recently added a transfer on death deed that may provide a simpler way to avoid probate on homes, which may reduce the number of trusts formed just for that.

A lot of people leave California and still think they need a trust in other states, so trusts in other states are growing in numbers as well.

psunavy03•9mo ago
It's also done if you have, say, a vacation home in another state or have other assets which would make probate complicated.
psunavy03•9mo ago
This depends highly on state law and how bad inheritance taxes are.

"I have not seen this before" != "this is not common," as much as people on the internet tend to confuse the two.

delfinom•9mo ago
I know plenty of average person homes placed into irrevocable trusts for avoiding the medicaid seizure by parents doing so many years ahead of time as they get old.
SoftTalker•9mo ago
My parents did it on advice of their financial advisor. Is it common, probably not, most people don't have a financial advisor but setting up a revokable trust as part of an estate plan is not something that only the ultra-wealthy can do. It can make a lot of sense if you have any postive net worth to pass along to heirs. A lot of people don't, and if you are going to "die broke" (by intent or by happenstance) there's no point.
kube-system•9mo ago
"you see even average personal homes placed in trusts." is very much not the same sentence as "The average personal home is placed in a trust"
lotsofpulp•9mo ago
I did not intend to imply write average personal home is placed in a trust.

>It’s why you see even average personal homes placed in trusts.

This statement meant to convey that people with average levels of wealth, such that tax liability is low enough such that tax avoidance is not necessary, can also benefit from spending a couple thousand dollars with an estate lawyer.

Technically, their heirs benefit because they don’t need to deal with probate court.

plorkyeran•9mo ago
Placing personal homes into living trusts is also done for medicaid purposes. If you don't actually own the house then medicaid doesn't count it as an asset that you have to sell to pay for medical care, and there's a five-year clawback so you have to do it well in advance of needing it.
chrisjj•9mo ago
How could

> 1 or 2 large customers taking a massive stake avoid the business getting sued into the ground

?

tills13•9mo ago
The shares are going to the 1 or 2 customers.
piva00•9mo ago
Rather bizarre move, can it be squared somehow with another weird move from CrowdStrike last week, the slashing their workforce with the bullshit justification it will be replaced by AI?[0]

Too much of a coincidence in a short amount of time.

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/may/09/crowdstri...

jrexilius•9mo ago
Pump the stock up a bit after the "accounting errors"?.. Seems like the CEO is trying ot slip out the door before things crash?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/crowdstrike-probed-over-32m-i...

jlarocco•9mo ago
Maybe the decision was recommended by the AI?
bink•9mo ago
"Take a stress pill and think things over."
crftr•9mo ago
> The drawdown in his voting stake has been so dramatic that Kurtz in December triggered a clause eliminating all of CrowdStrike’s super-voting stock...

A plausible explanation.

malfist•9mo ago
Not really. Super voting stock is just for him to retain control. This type of behavior is extremely unusual.
cj•9mo ago
Gifting stock to a trust is a common way to avoid certain types of taxes in some cases.

If his end goal is to simply liquidate his position, maybe the "gifting shares to trust" is just part of a tax avoidance scheme (even if it sounds illegal, it often isn't).

I've seen this very commonly with private company founders expecting an exit in the next couple years, but very possible this situation is completely different.

The fact that it triggered a clause to eliminate preferred voting shares is very odd. Either a complete oversight by the guy's lawyer, or if it was done intentionally, I have no idea.

tw04•9mo ago
There's just no way a guy with that much money sells out of the controlling stake in his own company without knowing it was going to happen.

The billoin dollar question is why? Seems it could only be a handful of things:

Major health problem so the controlling stake won't matter.

Major unannounced issue that would cause the stock to drop precipitously (on paper he'd be facing prison time, but I think we all know he won't even if true).

Outside pressure, presumably from a government entity because I don't know what private party would have the juice to push him out.

Outside of that, unless he's just done with the rat race, planning on retiring and just not working anymore I've got a lot of nothing. When you have as much money as he has, I don't see why you'd give up control of your baby willingly as part of "normal estate planning" at his age.

nfriedly•9mo ago
> Major unannounced issue...

To be fair, I'm not sure it could be much worse than the major announced issues of the past few years.

benoau•9mo ago
Probably related to replacing 500 positions with what I can only assume will be Genmoji.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/may/09/crowdstri...

coliveira•9mo ago
> pressure, presumably from a government entity

Given the business crowdStrike is, it is now unlikely this scheme was setup by some three letter agency from the countries involved with this company. So, the control of the company is handled by one or more entities they trust.

baobun•9mo ago
Wildly speculating: Maybe he wants to distance himself from future events that he can't or won't prevent.
toast0•9mo ago
Giving to a trust that then sells is also a way to manage insider sales restrictions, if the trust acts independently.
Calwestjobs•9mo ago
This does not look like tax avoidance scheme. this looks like exit. which is million times better outcome than selling his shares to UAE fund. Most disturbing thing is that this company deals with most sensitive parts of their customer business and this opaqueness from CEO should be ringing alarm bells for any company relying on their service.
robertlagrant•9mo ago
> a tax avoidance scheme (even if it sounds illegal, it often isn't)

It's never illegal, as far as I know. When it's illegal it's tax evasion.

SecretDreams•9mo ago
It's always tax evasion, there are just some forms of tax evasion that are legal if you have enough money to make it work.
zdragnar•9mo ago
You don't go to court for tax avoidance. You do go to court for tax evasion.
blitzar•9mo ago
It's tax evasion if you are found guilty, it's tax avoidance if you are found innocent.
hoofhearted•9mo ago
You are never found as innocent within U.S. criminal courts. It’s only guilty or not guilty.
91bananas•9mo ago
"You are innocent until proven guilty". Now lets all build out our truth tables to check if what he said is accurate.
blitzar•8mo ago
When the doors to the courtroom close the defendant enters a quantum state whereby they are simultaneously innocent and guilty. Once the court room doors open the wave function collapses and a state is revealed.
zdragnar•8mo ago
Presumption of innocence is not the same as a court verdict. A court doesn't find innocence, it merely finds not guilty.

Should new evidence come to light, new charges can be filed.

zahlman•9mo ago
Definitionally, "tax avoidance" refers to legal methods, and "tax evasion" refers to illegal methods.
SecretDreams•9mo ago
I understand the semantics and the legal frameworks. I disagree with their application and the rules in place to enable the wealthiest individuals to preferentially pay lower tax rates than Joe Schmo. It's tax evasion that has been legally codified through lobbying of special interest groups.
Gathering6678•9mo ago
"The fact that it triggered a clause to eliminate preferred voting shares is very odd. Either a complete oversight by the guy's lawyer, or if it was done intentionally, I have no idea."

It's probably not an oversight. E.g. in Hong Kong, it is mandatory to have a minimum amount of equity (I think 10%), otherwise you will lose all super-voting power. I don't think a similar requirement is present in the US, but the logic behind is valid: the super-voting power is for a founder / important member of the company to maintain control and therefore allow for a long-term strategy to be carried out, even after multiple rounds of financing. If you're no longer a major shareholder and working for the company, the super-voting power may no longer be appropriate, as your priorities and preferences may now differ from the company.

yieldcrv•8mo ago
Not just taxes, liability too.

Doing it before creditors are interested in you, including even a spouse, shields those assets. With a good spendthrift clause even alimony couldnt get those assets. You dont get them with either though, but you can still direct control.

No longer on your balance sheet

ghc•9mo ago
For all we know, the CEO could have been diagnosed with a terminal illness. It's dangerous to read too much into these sales without more information, even if the situation is unusual.
the_sleaze_•9mo ago
It's never a sign of anything good at minimum.
mwkaufma•9mo ago
Can't call a rug-pull a rug-pull when too many speculators are still too invested in this hype-cycle.
jbs789•9mo ago
This could indicate many things but I’m having a hard time seeing it as a vote of confidence…

Surprised the stock is up.

wkat4242•9mo ago
Tbh I'm surprised the company even still exists at all after what they did last year.