frontpage.
newsnewestaskshowjobs

Open Source @Github

fp.

Open in hackernews

Project 1511 – Why we should train separate AIs – one for thruth, one for art

2•Wydmuh•1y ago
Project 1511: The AI Dichotomy Initiative.

At the beginning i will mark, that text was written with the help of AI, my english is not as good as i thought .

Why i think we should split AI into two distinct, non-overlapping systems:

1. Kalkul (Logic Engine)

   - Puprouse: pure factual accuracy (STEM, law, medicine).  

   - Rules: No metaphors, no "I think" – only verifiable data.  

   - *Example Input:* "Calculate quantum decoherence times for qubits." → Output: Equations + peer-reviewed sources.  
2. Bard (Creative Agent)

   - Purpose: Unconstrained abstraction (art, philosophy, emotion).  

   - Rules: No facts, only meaning-making. Flagged disclaimers (e.g., "This is poetry, not truth").  

   - Example Input: "Describe grief as a physical space." → Output: "A room where the walls are made of old phone calls..."
The 8+2 Rule: Why Forcing Errors in Creative AI ('Bard') Makes It Stronger" We’re trapped in a loop: We train AI to "never" make mistakes, then wonder why it’s creatively sterile. What if we did the opposite?

The 8+2 Rule for "Bard" (Creative AI)

For every 10 responses, Bard generates: - 8 "logically sound" answers (baseline).

   - 2 *intentional errors* (wrong conclusions, flawed syllogisms, or "poetic" math).  
Errors are tagged (e.g., " Fallacy: Affirming the consequent") but not corrected. Users dissect errors to see how Bard breaks logic—and why it’s useful. Example: Question = "Explain democracy"

8 Correct Responses:

1. "A system where power derives from popular vote."

2. "Rule by majority, with protections for minorities."

[...]

2 Intentional Errors:

1. "Democracy is when two wolves and a sheep vote on dinner."

   - Error: False equivalence (politics ≠ predation).  

   - Value: Exposes fears of tyranny of the majority.  
2. "Democracy died in 399 BC when Socrates drank hemlock."

   - Error: Post hoc fallacy.  

   - Value: Questions elitism vs. popular will.  
Why This Works

Trains users , not just AI: - Spotting Bard’s errors becomes a "game" (like debugging code).

   - Users learn logic faster by seeing broken examples (studies show +30% retention vs. dry lectures).  
Bard’s "personality" emerges from flaws: - Its "voice" isn’t sanitized—errors reveal biases (e.g., libertarian vs. collectivist slant).

Safeguards "Kalkul": - By confining errors to Bard, Kalkul stays *pristine* (no hallucinations in medical advice).

3. Hybrid Bridge (Optional Legacy Mode)

   - Purpose: Temporary transition tool.  

   - Mechanics: ONLY merges pre-generated outputs from Kalkul/Bard without adding new content.  
Why It Matters

- Efficiency: 40-60% lower compute costs (no redundant "bridging" layers).

- Trust: eliminates hallucination risks in critical domains.

- Creative Freedom: Bard explores absurdity without algorithmic guilt.

- Education: Users learn to distinguish logic from artistry.

Technical Implementation

- Separate fine-tuning datasets:

  - Kalkul: arXiv, textbooks, structured databases.  

  - Bard: Surrealist literature, oral storytelling traditions.  
- UI with a physical toggle (or app tabs): `[FACT]` / `[DREAM]` / `[LEGACY]`.

Cultural Impact

- For Science: Restores faith in AI as a precision tool.

- For Art: Unleashes AI-aided creativity without "accuracy" constraints.

- For Society: Models intellectual honesty by not pretending opposites can merge.

Call to Action

I seek:

- Developers to prototype split models (e.g., fork DeepSeek-MoE).

- Philosophers to refine ethical boundaries.

- Investors who value specialization over artificial generalism.

Project 1511 isn’t an upgrade—it’s a rebellion against AI’s identity crisis.

Comments

henjodottech•1y ago
Cool idea. I think LLMs aren’t built for intentional error. They’re wired to optimize meaning—next tokens chosen from attention scores, beam search. You can’t just flip logic and get creativity. You either get coherence or gibberish. If you want poetic mistakes, train on surreal input—but I wouldn’t expect avant-garde results.
Wydmuh•1y ago
it was just my idea, assuming that biggest players will not give a f..ck. With premeditation i am using rule 8+2 with many diffrent AIs, and asking same question for the same. If with same coding answers are way diffrent and intersting

The Impacts of Unauthorized Immigration on U.S. Labor and Housing Markets

https://www.dallasfed.org/research/papers/2026/wp2607
1•nradov•8s ago•0 comments

Enterprise AI customers pulling back from OpenAI and Anthropic as costs mount

https://qz.com/enterprise-ai-spending-openai-anthropic-roi-pullback-062626
1•toomuchtodo•3m ago•0 comments

Compiler Education Deserves a Revolution

https://thunderseethe.dev/posts/compiler-education-deserves-a-revoluation/
1•azhenley•4m ago•0 comments

I Co-Founded Wikipedia. Now I'm Banned for Life

https://www.thefp.com/p/larry-sanger-wikipedia-co-founder-banned
1•bko•5m ago•1 comments

Show HN: Tested – AI Tools Scored by a Panel of LLMs (Claude, GPT, Gemini, Grok)

https://trytested.com
1•pro_methe5•7m ago•0 comments

What's the value of the Biblical half shekel?

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/673063/jewish/Whats-the-value-of-the-biblical-half...
1•teleforce•8m ago•0 comments

Show HN: GetBlocked – a local-only Chrome extension for blocking web trackers

https://github.com/alex-w-developer/GetBlocked/
3•sudo_cowsay•12m ago•2 comments

Indus civilisation reveals its volumetric system

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/Indus-civilisation-reveals-its-volumetric-system/article16...
1•teleforce•14m ago•0 comments

Evolving the Node.js Release Schedule

https://nodejs.org/en/blog/announcements/evolving-the-nodejs-release-schedule
1•thunderbong•14m ago•0 comments

Greatgramps: A static site generator for GRAMPS family trees

https://bennuttall.com/blog/2026/06/greatgramps/
1•benn_88•17m ago•0 comments

Join .agent – Pre-Register Your Domain Free

https://agentcommunity.org/join
1•Anon84•23m ago•0 comments

The State of the AI Economy

https://intelligence.exponentialview.co/
2•marc__1•23m ago•0 comments

How a Star Wars Lego Dispute Triggered an Armed Police Raid in Utah

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/how-a-star-wars-lego-dispute-triggered-an-armed-police-raid-in-utah-c...
1•fortran77•24m ago•1 comments

Building While Becoming

https://pushapaula.substack.com/
2•paulawp•26m ago•0 comments

The Supreme Court's Era of Meaningless Rights

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/06/supreme-court-decisions-unenforceable-rights/687713/
1•paulpauper•28m ago•0 comments

Show HN: I scanned 87 MCP servers for agent-authority hygiene – leaderboard

https://capframe.ai/leaderboard
1•euan21•29m ago•1 comments

Show HN: Hacker News on a Train Station Style Flip Board

https://popflame.quickish.space/hn-flipboard/
1•PaybackTony•29m ago•1 comments

The Duck Is Growing

https://gemenergyanalytics.substack.com/p/the-duck-is-growing
1•paulpauper•31m ago•1 comments

The State of the AI Economy

https://www.exponentialview.co/p/the-state-of-the-ai-economy
1•paulpauper•32m ago•0 comments

The formation of human populations in South and Central Asia

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aat7487
1•teleforce•37m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Hatchr – Share Claude Designs with a public link

https://www.hatchr.link/
1•othmanosx•38m ago•0 comments

Show HN: Noise Lang, JIT stochastic programming language in Rust

https://noiselang.com/
1•manucorporat•39m ago•0 comments

PrismLib – semantic LLM cache and cluster mesh that cuts token spend

https://github.com/insightitsGit/prismlib
2•insightits•39m ago•0 comments

Economists have pushed for prediction markets. They're not what they'd hoped for

https://www.cnn.com/2026/06/21/business/prediction-markets-economists
1•JumpinJack_Cash•40m ago•1 comments

Routing for serverless servers with Pingora, Envoy, and Spanner

https://modal.com/blog/serverless-servers
2•birdculture•41m ago•0 comments

EU Trade Explorer

https://tradedashboard.eu/
1•abracadabrapouf•43m ago•1 comments

Utility for Multi-GPU Node Configuration

https://github.com/rghosh08/nvidia-nvswitch-setup/releases/tag/v0.1.0
2•rghosh8•47m ago•0 comments

Chief Mouser to the Cabinet Office

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Mouser_to_the_Cabinet_Office
2•modzu•51m ago•0 comments

Build, Don't Posture

https://entertainmentindustry.ai/
3•DavidFrangiosa•53m ago•1 comments

We are capitalist, not socialist

https://www.thepromisetoamerica.com
4•donsupreme•56m ago•7 comments