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Project 1511 – Why we should train separate AIs – one for thruth, one for art

2•Wydmuh•6mo ago
Project 1511: The AI Dichotomy Initiative.

At the beginning i will mark, that text was written with the help of AI, my english is not as good as i thought .

Why i think we should split AI into two distinct, non-overlapping systems:

1. Kalkul (Logic Engine)

   - Puprouse: pure factual accuracy (STEM, law, medicine).  

   - Rules: No metaphors, no "I think" – only verifiable data.  

   - *Example Input:* "Calculate quantum decoherence times for qubits." → Output: Equations + peer-reviewed sources.  
2. Bard (Creative Agent)

   - Purpose: Unconstrained abstraction (art, philosophy, emotion).  

   - Rules: No facts, only meaning-making. Flagged disclaimers (e.g., "This is poetry, not truth").  

   - Example Input: "Describe grief as a physical space." → Output: "A room where the walls are made of old phone calls..."
The 8+2 Rule: Why Forcing Errors in Creative AI ('Bard') Makes It Stronger" We’re trapped in a loop: We train AI to "never" make mistakes, then wonder why it’s creatively sterile. What if we did the opposite?

The 8+2 Rule for "Bard" (Creative AI)

For every 10 responses, Bard generates: - 8 "logically sound" answers (baseline).

   - 2 *intentional errors* (wrong conclusions, flawed syllogisms, or "poetic" math).  
Errors are tagged (e.g., " Fallacy: Affirming the consequent") but not corrected. Users dissect errors to see how Bard breaks logic—and why it’s useful. Example: Question = "Explain democracy"

8 Correct Responses:

1. "A system where power derives from popular vote."

2. "Rule by majority, with protections for minorities."

[...]

2 Intentional Errors:

1. "Democracy is when two wolves and a sheep vote on dinner."

   - Error: False equivalence (politics ≠ predation).  

   - Value: Exposes fears of tyranny of the majority.  
2. "Democracy died in 399 BC when Socrates drank hemlock."

   - Error: Post hoc fallacy.  

   - Value: Questions elitism vs. popular will.  
Why This Works

Trains users , not just AI: - Spotting Bard’s errors becomes a "game" (like debugging code).

   - Users learn logic faster by seeing broken examples (studies show +30% retention vs. dry lectures).  
Bard’s "personality" emerges from flaws: - Its "voice" isn’t sanitized—errors reveal biases (e.g., libertarian vs. collectivist slant).

Safeguards "Kalkul": - By confining errors to Bard, Kalkul stays *pristine* (no hallucinations in medical advice).

3. Hybrid Bridge (Optional Legacy Mode)

   - Purpose: Temporary transition tool.  

   - Mechanics: ONLY merges pre-generated outputs from Kalkul/Bard without adding new content.  
Why It Matters

- Efficiency: 40-60% lower compute costs (no redundant "bridging" layers).

- Trust: eliminates hallucination risks in critical domains.

- Creative Freedom: Bard explores absurdity without algorithmic guilt.

- Education: Users learn to distinguish logic from artistry.

Technical Implementation

- Separate fine-tuning datasets:

  - Kalkul: arXiv, textbooks, structured databases.  

  - Bard: Surrealist literature, oral storytelling traditions.  
- UI with a physical toggle (or app tabs): `[FACT]` / `[DREAM]` / `[LEGACY]`.

Cultural Impact

- For Science: Restores faith in AI as a precision tool.

- For Art: Unleashes AI-aided creativity without "accuracy" constraints.

- For Society: Models intellectual honesty by not pretending opposites can merge.

Call to Action

I seek:

- Developers to prototype split models (e.g., fork DeepSeek-MoE).

- Philosophers to refine ethical boundaries.

- Investors who value specialization over artificial generalism.

Project 1511 isn’t an upgrade—it’s a rebellion against AI’s identity crisis.

Comments

henjodottech•6mo ago
Cool idea. I think LLMs aren’t built for intentional error. They’re wired to optimize meaning—next tokens chosen from attention scores, beam search. You can’t just flip logic and get creativity. You either get coherence or gibberish. If you want poetic mistakes, train on surreal input—but I wouldn’t expect avant-garde results.
Wydmuh•6mo ago
it was just my idea, assuming that biggest players will not give a f..ck. With premeditation i am using rule 8+2 with many diffrent AIs, and asking same question for the same. If with same coding answers are way diffrent and intersting

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