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No-boom supersonic flights could slide through US skies soon

https://www.theregister.com/2025/05/17/faa_supersonic_law/
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7e•3h ago
The emissions of supersonic aircraft are insane. They’re just so inefficient. Nobody needs to fly anywhere that fast when they can sleep on a lie flat bed in business class instead. Let’s stop polluting the earth and put that money into battery and hydrogen aircraft instead.
api•3h ago
Fuel is the #1 cost of airlines, so this will be niche unless the efficiency problem is solved.

As for climate change and oil use, all aviation globally is only about 7% of oil use and about 3% of carbon emissions. It’s not the main thing to worry about.

Coal fired electricity followed by oil fired land transport (mostly easily electrified cars) are together well over 50% of all emissions and are the easiest things to fix. Deforestation and agricultural emissions are also up there. All of these sources are way easier and cheaper to address than decarbonizing aviation.

paulryanrogers•3h ago
We can worry about more than one thing at a time
api•2h ago
It makes the most sense to tackle the easiest biggest wins first. There is limited attention, money, and political capital. Aviation is perhaps the hardest single thing to decarbonize.
appreciatorBus•2h ago
This assumes that decarbonizing aviation is the only way to address the issue.

A much simpler one, that costs nothing, is simply if we did less aviation. If we had the political will, even just trying to get somewhere close to pricing pollution externalities of aviation (in addition to other pollution sources, to be clear), would immediately reduce demand and make other forms of transportation more competitive.

Of course we don’t have that political will, so it may be true that the only choice is to come up with expensive and esoteric technologies to decarbonize aviation. But I think it’s important to acknowledge that flying less was always an option we (collectively) had, but chose not to take.

Robotbeat•3h ago
The difference in efficiency between subsonic and supersonic is about 2, which is smaller than the difference between a high density seatIng arrangement and lie-flat density (a factor of 3, I think?). If you’re doing a lie-flat bed, you just eliminated the entire difference in emissions per passenger.
i80and•3h ago
I realize this makes me very unusual and this is probably not a good business idea, but I'd be happy to fly pod-hostel style. I don't mind being stacked as long as I get to lie down.
genocidicbunny•3h ago
Just don't forget your multipass.
closewith•3h ago
Me too, but it will never happen due to evacuation issues.
ghc•3h ago
I think you're exhibiting a lack of imagination here. There's plenty of time sensitive items the Concorde was used to transport, like organs for transplants, or serum for snake bite victims.

Since the retirement of the Concorde we've regrettably had to use fighter jets for some of these life-saving flights. Sure, rich people subsidized all of it to shave a few hours off their business flights, but given how much avgas Elon's jet uses, it is really more efficient if they half the people who would take a supersonic flight take small private jets instead?

echoangle•3h ago
Maybe unpopular opinion but with the costs associated with flying around organs for transplants or serum for snake bites at supersonic speeds, you could save a lot more people in different situations.
geertj•3h ago
> given how much avgas Elon's jet uses

Jets don’t consume avgas.

ghc•1h ago
TIL. I've only made a few business plane trips, but thinking back on it they were all turboprops.
jordanb•36m ago
Turboprops also run on jet fuel. Only reciprocating engines use avgas.
01HNNWZ0MV43FF•20m ago
They should tax emissions
losvedir•3h ago
Growing up I always thought a sonic boom was something that happened once when you broke the speed of sound.

I now understand that's not the case, but still don't quite know what it is. I think a supersonic aircraft is constantly "dragging" a boom behind it. So when it passes overhead sometime later you'll hear a boom. Is that right? Does that mean you'll see a plane flying overhead, hear the normal drone associated with it, but at one particular moment here a distinctly louder but shorter noise?

And is this a real thing that can be done? How do you make the sonic boom go away? As someone who lives where planes are flying overhead constantly, can it be used to make non-supersonic planes quieter, too?

freeone3000•3h ago
When a boat goes faster than water, it makes water waves. When a plane goes faster than air, it makes air-waves. When a plane goes faster than sound, it makes sound-waves.

It’s lightning/thunder: you will be able to see the plane, and then after a bit, hear the boom. You won’t be able to hear other plane noise, all of the combined noise from turbulence and engines is forced back into the boom.

It is shorter duration, yes, but MUCH louder: F-18s at 5000 feet can rattle windows on the ground! Usually not a good trade-off.

zigzag312•3h ago
You're mixing apples and oranges. Air and water are matter, sound is not.

Any sound-producing plane generates sound waves, not just a plane that goes faster than sound.

freeone3000•2h ago
Sound is the vibration of matter. Waves do not move matter! Like, look at a leaf on a lake. The leaf moves up and down with the ripples, but does not move back and forth. The water isn’t moving, the wavefront is.

Sonic booms are nothing more than a collapsed wavefront of that wavefront. The speed of sound, definitionally, is the maximal speed at which any physical wavefront can propagate through a medium. (We hear it in air as sound, but no wave can be propagated through the medium any faster than this. You cannot move air any faster than the speed of sound in air.) This causes all of the disturbances from the aircraft moving through the air to be compressed into a single, maximal wave that itself moves at the speed of sound, since it can’t move any faster. Thus the boom.

(You can see a similar cool thing with Cherenkov radiation, where neutrons moving faster than light in water produce a bright blue glow — or, waves of light!)

zigzag312•2h ago
I was referring to your explanation "When a plane goes faster than air, it makes air-waves. When a plane goes faster than sound, it makes sound-waves."

In physics, an air wave typically refers to a sound wave. While both of your statements are true (plane makes sound-waves at both speeds), they didn't explain the sonic boom, like you did now.

> You cannot move air any faster than the speed of sound in air.

Minor nitpick, doesn't a plane traveling above Mach 1 displace (i.e. move) air faster than the speed of sound in air? :)

freeone3000•1h ago
Right, sorry. The wave can't propagate any faster than the speed of sound -- the air itself be moved faster, but you have to do so by physically displacing it.
winkywooster•3h ago
growing up i remember experiencing sonic booms a handful of times. i never heard or saw the plane, it would just be the sound and feeling of the boom.
firejake308•3h ago
The latest generation of supersonic aircraft does still generate a sonic boom, but the key innovation seems to be to fly at an altitude where the sound wave will mostly be reflected.

Source: this picture from the Boom XB-1 website, which was originally made by Pennsylvania State University: https://boomsupersonic.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/xb-1-b...

Majromax•3h ago
> And is this a real thing that can be done? How do you make the sonic boom go away?

You can't completely make the sonic boom go away, but you can change how it's experienced on the ground through careful design of the airplane shape. The X-59 Quesst (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_X-59_Quesst#De...) is an experimental supersonic aircraft that reportedly reduces the sound of the sonic boom to something comparable to a 'car door closing', mostly by ensuring that different shockwaves created by different parts of the plane don't combine into a single, stronger boom.

> can it be used to make non-supersonic planes quieter, too?

Sadly no; the principles of design are very different for sonic booms and ordinary plane noise. For ordinary aircraft, the big causes of noise are the engines themselves and turbulence over the airframe.

That being said, the problem of ordinary aircraft noise is usually limited to the areas near an airport. Sonic booms are noticed underneath the entire flight path of a supersonic aircraft, even when it's flying at altitude.

echoangle•3h ago
Because the plane is supersonic, you don’t hear the drone. The first thing you hear is the boom, which is basically the front of the drone which accumulates because the plane is always at the edge of its sound. After the boom, you hear the normal decaying drone as the plane moves away.
krisoft•3h ago
> Does that mean you'll see a plane flying overhead, hear the normal drone associated with it, but at one particular moment here a distinctly louder but shorter noise?

Not really. Supersonic means faster than sound. Meaning that the plane flies faster than the sound. Even its own sound. So you would hear nothing before the sonic boom reaches you. Because the sound didn't have time to get to your ears yet.

> I think a supersonic aircraft is constantly "dragging" a boom behind it.

What was really revealing to me is to look at shadowgraph images of supersonic wind tunnel test. Like this one: https://media.sciencephoto.com/image/s3300054/800wm/S3300054...

You can see the dark airplane looking shape. That's the model of the airplane in the wind tunnel. And then you can see that V shaped shadow edge starting from the tip of the nose. That's the sonic boom. It is a sudden step change in pressure. In this visualisation it appears as two lines, but in reality it is a cone centered on the tip of the nose (or other protrusions.)

Where and when your ear crosses that cone surface that's where you experience a sonic boom.

> How do you make the sonic boom go away?

If I understand it correctly their plan is not to make it not happen, but to fly such that the pressure wave is bent upwards away from the ground. Which sounds like a weather dependent trick. I recommend the video in the article which shows the idea.

Kim_Bruning•3h ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9MzxSfA0R0

So this happens to be rockets. In most plane videos you have sound of other aircraft in the video. This is because people are usually recording at air-shows. It's really hard to find a clean version!

zigzag312•1h ago
> How do you make the sonic boom go away?

You can't, but you can prevent it from reaching the ground.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdJWIkwxjcA

tiahura•3h ago
Don’t cell phones, not to mention inflight wifi, make it a lot less necessary for a lot of potential customers?
tiahura•2h ago
Not to mention business travel still hasn’t pushed through pre-COVID levels.
bgwalter•3h ago
In an article full of marketing speak, NASA only promises a quieter sonic thump:

https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/nasa-lockheed-martin-revea...

"The X-59 is expected to fly at 1.4 times the speed of sound, or 925 mph. Its design, shaping and technologies will allow the aircraft to achieve these speeds while generating a quieter sonic thump."

Further, if the atmospheric conditions aren't right, the cutely named "thump" will turn into a boom again.

I suppose if Qatar gifts Trump the first golden supersonic private jet, it'll also pay fines for "thumps" exceeding the limits.

gwerbret•21m ago
> The Supersonic Aviation Modernization Act (SAMA)

> Boom boasts a number of big-name VCs and tech luminaries as funders, including AI poster child Sam Altman

This... can't be a coincidence. Can it?