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Lufthansa plane flown by autopilot after pilot faints in cockpit

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/3310779/lufthansa-plane-flown-autopilot-after-pilot-faints-cockpit
24•gscott•2h ago

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everybodyknows•2h ago
> co-pilot was very pale, sweating profusely and making strange movements

Heart attack symptoms.

p_ing•2h ago
They're usually flown by auto-pilot, in one mode or another. That part isn't interesting.
mrweasel•43m ago
I was going to ask, because I was under the impression that commercial airlines are mostly flown by auto-pilot anyway.
atonse•1h ago
In the US at least, the cockpit door is locked from the inside.

What happens in this situation if they can’t open it?

I think in the US at least they block the cockpit door with a food cart while the pilot goes to the bathroom. Maybe they leave it unlocked then?

thinkingemote•1h ago
The captain or co-pilot whoever is outside, has the code to open it
quietbritishjim•1h ago
In the US (and other countries) the door is locked but there is a PIN to open it that the cabin crew have access to. Even then, there's a time delay to the door opening, during which people in the cockpit are notified and can reject the request.

That means that no food cart should ever be needed to block the door. But the cockpit should never be totally empty anyway, as surely only one of the two crew should be using the toilet at a time.

(Note: I'm not a pilot, just a reader of Admiral Cloudberg's blog.)

kotaKat•1h ago
The door being blocked additionally by a food cart may be an additional security step. Some airlines treat having the flight crew needing a bathroom break very seriously when the cockpit has to be opened in flight (ex sending passengers back to seats if they try to go to the front bathrooms, closing curtains, lead staff up front on standby, etc).

Here's the cockpit locking system on Airbuses, for what it's worth as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROIH3KCEIvs

There is a button that sounds a 'request' chime, and a code that when entered starts a timer and alarm that once stops, releases the door momentarily for an emergency entry. The crew inside can still disable that unlock, if they are conscious (and this is some kind of attempted hijacking with knowledge of the code).

user3939382•57m ago
They should have a normal code and a distress code.
bastawhiz•51m ago
The article suggests that this is the case
lachtan•1h ago
I feel like I've heard of a rule that there must always be at least two (or maybe exactly to) people in a cockpit in any given time to guard against this as well as hijacking and stuff, am I imagining this or missing something?
RegnisGnaw•1h ago
The FAA (US) requires this. EASA (Europe) adopted this rule in 2015 after the Eurowings incident but it was rolled back in 2016.
andy99•58m ago
I know I've regularly seen a flight attendant go into the cockpit while one of the pilots steps out for the bathroom or whatever. Did not realize this wasn't the norm in Europe.
smokeyfish•56m ago
I see this on Ryanair flights all the time in Europe.
antisthenes•49m ago
There's a joke in there somewhere about an extra fee on your ticket if you want your plane to have a second (or even a first, for Ryanair) pilot.
bbatsell•23m ago
My understanding of the purported reasoning behind the reversal was:

- They required airlines to implement cameras to monitor the hall leading up to the cockpit so that the pilot in the cockpit can verify who is requesting entry (without this, they still must follow the rule — Ryanair chose not to retrofit, so they continue to use attendants who can look out the peephole).

- In testing, they decided that the extra time that the cockpit door was unsecured during the switchovers in tight spaces was more dangerous than trying to solve the suicidal pilot issue with better mental health monitoring.

(My own note, we know that suicidal actors have no problems taking weapons to their copilots or whatever attendant is stuck looking out the peephole, e.g. FedEx 705.)

harshreality•36m ago
The kinds of planes you're thinking about, yes.

From what I understand, it's affected by two things:

1. The regulatory side, driven by the size and complexity of the plane. That in turn affects potential number of passengers and typical hiring arrangement (pay-per-seat vs charter vs personal use). If you google best single-pilot aircraft, you'll see things like the hondajet, pilatus pc-24, and citation cj2/3/4. Nothing larger or more complex than that.

2. Insurance requirements for particular flights. If you're hiring out a plane to carry other people, you need a different kind of liability insurance. That insurance might require you to have two pilots even for a small plane (like a stereotypical primitive prop plane, or a previously mentioned small jet like hondajet or citation cj2/3/4) that might in other situations be legal to fly with a single pilot. Or, for someone like an executive with hefty personal injury insurance, that person's insurance might not cover them if they fly in a plane with a single pilot.

That's not to say that all "for hire" flying requires two pilots. Consider small prop planes for sightseeing, or skydiving, or island hopping the Caribbean. Unless something's changed recently, you won't have two pilots for those kinds of flights.

The reason I brought up personal insurance for passengers: CitationMax (certified ATP pilot who flies his parents around in their private jet) on youtube has mentioned that his father's personal/executive insurance requires him to fly with two pilots. Even when they had a cj3+, they added a contract pilot when his father was onboard. Now they have a citation longitude, which is large/complex enough that it can never be flown with only one pilot, even if no passengers are onboard.

rad_gruchalski•58m ago
It was flown by an autopilot before the pilot fainted. As it was after they brought him back. My sarcastic response to this line is “I fucking hope it was, imagine the mess if it didn’t”.

The main problem is, there was one guy in the cockpit.

Liftyee•34m ago
https://archive.is/nyL8X
Havoc•3m ago
There were previous instances of both pilots falling asleep for much longer timespans.

Wild that cars can detect you taking your eyes off the road and yet this...

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