That may be rough, given they won't be able to patent it due to prior art...
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mitthrowaway2•8mo ago
nielsbot•8mo ago
I've long been attracted to the idea of building a building with Roman concrete and no rebar that would last centuries... Guess it's a sort of vanity project. :)
mitthrowaway2•8mo ago
nielsbot•8mo ago
jbotz•8mo ago
You have to adapt your building style to the material you're working with and tall, thin structures depend on the tensile strength of steel; concrete doesn't have much tensile strength, but does have tremendous compressive strength, so your structure will have to be wider at the bottom, although not necessarily wider than it's tall. It's all about directing the vectors of forces in a way that they stay inside the material of the structure, so no flying slabs, upper floors have to have arches or domes supporting them from below (or lots of pillars that widen into a small arch at the ends).
Here is an idea for a technique may be useful for building with un-reinforced concrete: instead of pouring whole walls into a mold, pour "lego"-style interlocking (large) blocks, layer by layer. Between layers you paint the surface with a thin layer of weak but flexible mortar or glue before pouring the next layer. This way you keep enough room for the structure to shift and settle without cracking and you can use the angle of contact between blocks to deflect the vectors of force back into the material. The article mentions that the Roman-style concrete hardens much faster, so that'll work well with this idea (you don't have to wait too long between pours).
jbotz•8mo ago
Concrete cancer can be reduced or even eliminated by using rebar material that rusts more slowly (stainless steel) or not at all (carbon fiber), but these are much more expensive of course. There is room for research on other reinforcing materials, but basically nothing with good tensile strength is going to be cheaper than steel and considering the quantities of rebar we use, cost is definitely a major issue.
The self-healing nature of Roman concrete might also help here, but the chemistry of concrete and rust formation on embedded steel is complex, and without extensive experimentation right now we don't know if steel embedded in Roman concrete rusts faster or more slowly than in modern concrete (before considering cracks).
nielsbot•8mo ago
Llamamoe•8mo ago
mitthrowaway2•8mo ago
Llamamoe•8mo ago
The self-healing capacity of ordinary Portland cement is very limited, but it's there, and you can easily find literature backing this fact up, e.g.[1]
You can also trivially look up strength figures of OPC concrete vs Roman concrete. Modern concrete is overwhelmingly stronger, and can be made even stronger where it needs to be.
As for being subjected to incomparably higher stress... are you really claiming that Roman architecture was ever subject to anything comparable to thousands of multi-ton vehicles driving at dozens of kilometers per hour? Or to anything comparable to the weight of a high-rise building? And don't forget that it made heavy use of arches, which isn't necessary anymore thanks precisely to the strength of modern concrete.
We also know what the composition of Roman concrete was, and there's literally thousands of publications on self-healing variants of concrete. You can buy most of them. They're just not a priority for most applications.
People really need to stop romanticising Roman concrete. It was incredible, sure. But it's got nothing on modern cementituous material science.
[1] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9302975/