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Germany drops opposition to nuclear power in rapprochement with France

https://www.ft.com/content/e99efa2b-338a-4065-89c6-0683d5759ed7
21•chickenbig•3h ago

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chickenbig•3h ago
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sylware•2h ago
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Arnt•1h ago
«“The Germans are telling us: we will be very pragmatic on the issue of nuclear power,” said a senior French diplomat involved in the talks. This meant that “all the biases against nuclear power, which still remain here and there in EU legislation, will be removed.” “This will be a sea-change policy shift,” said a German official.»

Will it really?

https://www.pv-magazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/Level... is a little unusual, it shows the cheapest nuclear power to be as cheap as the most expensive PV+battery. Still, it's difficult for me to see how this policy change will really change anything.

A real change would require a commitment against market-based production/sale of electricity, e.g. a quota such that power generators using PV/batteries were allowed to produce at most x% of the power in the EO.

preisschild•1h ago
You quote a PV-lobbying firm as your source, what do you expect?

Also LCOE is just not adequate to compare these two, as you have additional storage and transmission costs for intermittent, weather-dependent sources, whereas most nuclear power plants can be online providing full capacity more than 90% of the time.

LCOE does not account for that.

This IEA report uses a metric that includes those system costs (value-adjusted LCOE, VALCOE) and it shows nuclear energy is definitely competitive. Especially if managed well and power plants aren't prematurely shut down due to political reasons, like they were in Germany.

https://www.iea.org/reports/projected-costs-of-generating-el...

credit_guy•1h ago
China installs about as much new solar capacity each year as the rest of the world combined. They manufacture the most PVs and have access to the cheapest PVs for that reason. Yet, they also have installed more new nuclear capacity (by far) than the rest of the world combined. Not only they do that, but they also have more nuclear plant being built right now, and more being already approved. Nuclear power is expensive because of the initial construction cost, and that is expensive because we forgot how to build. China didn't.
StopDisinfo910•58m ago
> Will it really?

Yes, it will. As they are currently drafted, the EU energy regulation forces France to invest in renewable and shift away from nuclear it already has to avoid missing the mandated European target as nuclear is not considered renewable. Currently France is being routinely fined despite providing Europe with a ton of clean energy.

The situation is beyond silly.

__m•46m ago
There is zero chance that Germany will build or reopen nuclear power plants. Neither citizens nor power companies want that.
preisschild•38m ago
> nor power companies want that.

Important Context: Power companies were paid by the state to shut down their nuclear power plants, of course they want free money for not producing anything.

FirmwareBurner•36m ago
Shutting down nukes costs money to do right, it's not money for nothing.
__m•15m ago
That was a one time payment and wouldn't stop them for reopening (accept for the dismantling process) or building new ones
preisschild•1h ago
Good. If Germany wants to do its own thing, then so be it, but they shouldn't be allowed to block / disincentivize other EU members from using nuclear power.

If we want to incentivize "clean" tech, we should go by an objective metric, such as co2 emissions per kilowatt-hour (where nuclear power is even less emitting than PV/Wind over its total lifecycle)

cwassert•11m ago
First of all, of course one country should be able to influence other countries in the EU. That's the whole point of the EU.

Secondly, the waste products of nuclear reactors are much more problematic than CO2. Handling of this waste is often overlooked when looking at the costs or CO2 footprint.

And that does not even touch the associated risks.

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