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Tesla Regret Syndrome

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/protests-take-a-satirical-approach-in-tesla-regret-syndrome-ad/
29•dxs•8mo ago

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photochemsyn•8mo ago
Tesla's bad decisions:

(1) Cybertruck sales projections were ridiculously overestimated. A mid-level exec at Toyota who did something similar would likely have been fired, but since this was apparently the decision of the Great Leader, there were no consequences.

(2) Full self-driving claims were overhyped and the technological decision to remove LIDAR was a big mistake, if we look at Waymo in comparison, and the long record of Tesla's failed claims on this one.

(3) The Great Leader dove into politics and thus alienated a large fraction of the customer base, while also not generating a new customer base. I see some similarities here to the Bud Light marketing debacle, in general.

Conclusion: companies selling products should really focus on creating good designs that meet people's needs above all else, and should implement internal democratic systems that can remove wild-eyed Great Leaders from decision-making positions before they take everything off the rails.

P.S. Why can't we just have a simple 1990s-style Toyata truck with an electric drive train and a robust battery with well-designed and tested firmware that doesn't need OTA updates and smart phone app and telemetry? I don't need an 'infotainment center' if I have a phone or tablet, either.

tocs3•8mo ago
P.S. Why can't we just have a simple 1990s-style Toyata truck with an electric drive train and a robust battery with well-designed and tested firmware that doesn't need OTA updates and smart phone app and telemetry? I don't need an 'infotainment center' if I have a phone or tablet, either.

I would like to second this. A very very simple vehicle would be welcome. I have some small hope with the Slate truck[1], but will wait and see. For now my 2006 Toyota Rave4 is fine and might be my last car.

[1]: https://www.motortrend.com/cars/slate/truck

ofcourseyoudo•8mo ago
more info here

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2027-slate-truck-electric-fi...

I kind of love how barebones it is.

bryanlarsen•8mo ago
Some argue that the bent-stainless unibody design of the original Cybertruck prototype was a design for efficient low volume production. Then 1M pre-orders flooded in and they were forced to design for high volume production. Which is hard, and takes a lot of time.

Those sales projections were based on pre-orders and deposits taken. Normally that's a fairly robust projection method, and perhaps would have been if the Cybertruck would have arrived on market in a timely fashion at the promised price.

The big mistake with the Cybertruck was that promised $40K price tag. Without that the pre-orders likely would have much more closely matched sales.

Tadpole9181•8mo ago
So they got more orders, then increased the cost and made production quality worse? How does that make any sense in the world of economy of scale?

The project was a mess from the start and, to this very day, constantly teeters on outright fraud in it's many marketing claims and warranty handling.

JohnnyHerz•8mo ago
I regret that Tesla doesn't make trucks, so i can replace my fleet with Tesla's; I'd buy 120 of them tomorrow if they made one.
guywithahat•8mo ago
Well the long range cybertruck is 62k after tax rebate, which is almost palatable and arguably better than the cheapest F150 EV's, although the looks still might cause strife where strife is not needed.
sjsdaiuasgdia•8mo ago
And you still have to deal with all of the quality control issues that have been plaguing the Cybertruck.
guywithahat•8mo ago
I'm not sure they Cybertruck has suffered more quality issues than any other new car and platform. The big issue for me is if I got one, it would instantly be the most noticeable vehicle in the parking lot, and possibly the most expensive. I could afford the long range version, and in many ways it is a great deal, but I can't have a more noticeable car than the CEO or CTO lol. I assume you would have the same issue if you're buying cybertrucks as fleet vehicles, where people start accusing the ceo of wasting money, even if they're technically cheaper than a comparable EV pickup
sjsdaiuasgdia•8mo ago
> but I can't have a more noticeable car than the CEO or CTO lol

What kind of crazy company do you work for where this is something to worry about, at all?

Also no, I don't believe most new car platforms have problems with large metal bits coming off as you drive, at frequency high enough to cause a recall.

guywithahat•8mo ago
This anti-Tesla sentiment seems to be purely isolated to online communities, specifically reddit. I have been sitting on my hands waiting for used tesla prices to come down and they never have. The people I know who own teslas still vouch for them and make no mention of Elon. I visited a dealership last friday and it was busy.

I would believe sales are down, consumers are looking for more affordable vehicles while Tesla prices have remained high, however I have never seen anything like what this article mentions in real life.

janice1999•8mo ago
> This anti-Tesla sentiment seems to be purely isolated to online communities

The dramatic decline in Tesla purchases in European countries proves otherwise. Here in Europe, I've heard Tesla discussed negatively in office canteens and doctors' waiting rooms a lot since Musk's 'arm gestures'. One of the doctors at my local surgery had his Tesla covered in red paint recently.

sshine•8mo ago
Both sentiments exist in Europe at the same time. When I moved in where I live one year ago, there was one other Tesla parked in the area. Now there’s 5 more. And yes, Musk is the (negative) talking point in waiting rooms.
CyberMacGyver•8mo ago
-Tesla offering discounts on a brand new model -Unsold “foundation series” models after a year - Chair of board selling majority of their shares

This and dozen other things is telling that it’s not “purely isolated to online communities”.

ahahahahah•8mo ago
The are down ~7.5% in the last 6 months, while other brands are up ~0.5%. It's just not true that "they never have".

See https://www.cargurus.com/research/price-trends?entityIds=Ind...

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