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2•Tomte•1m ago•0 comments

Freedom and the limits of agency: the philosophy of Fichte (2022)

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2•gnabgib•24m ago•0 comments
Open in hackernews

So why *did* U.S. wages stagnate for 20 years?

https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/so-why-did-us-wages-stagnate-for
59•paulpauper•2h ago

Comments

asdff•1h ago
A factor the author didn't really touch is housing. By 1973 many places in CA at least were starting to ban dingbat construction via ordinance against back out parking setups. We also see many cities in CA and elsewhere downzoned around that time. LA went from being zoned for over 10 million people in 1960 to being zoned for just 4.2 million and being built to almost 95% of its zoned capacity by the 2010s.

I'm not sure exactly the relationship between wage growth and restriction of housing growth but the fact that these phenomenon seemed to happen in lockstep merits some reflection. Prop 13 also came in 1973.

yonran•1h ago
Proposition 13 was 1978 (99 years after the publication of Progress and Poverty).
asdff•40m ago
Thanks for the correction
bryanlarsen•1h ago
Housing prices did not outpace inflation in 1973 - 1993. The periods of significant house price inflation (early 2000's, last 15 years) seem to correlate better with periods of wage increase rather than the periods of wage stagnation.
ty6853•38m ago
The most hilarious thing about housing in california is they had a chance to use ADUs to lower housing prices but of course they totally rigged the game by outlawing splitting off ADUs as a seperate property, meaning all they did was making housing even more expensive because the value of a plot now includes the additional value of the potential to be a landlord but no way to split that value into an economical individual home.

They managed to find the one fucking way to make additional housing make being a new homeowner even more expensive, and I believe it was not by accident.

onlyrealcuzzo•31m ago
It is intended that all of the policies make land more expensive...

No politician wants more affordable housing in a place where >65% of voters are property owners...

Ericson2314•15m ago
It's good for land to become more valuable. We want land prices to go up, and housing prices to go down. All that means is density is increasing faster than land values.

Nothing against allowing lot splits, but this is the wrong reason to be for it. The reasoning in the previous to replies reaks of "homeownership is more virtuous than renting" which is not true. And besides, if you really want more homeownership, the most important path forward is condos, and thus condo defect liability reform.

ty6853•11m ago
On its own higher housing density should lower land prices. All else equal land prices are both cause and effect of housing access.

In the philosophical extreme, if zoning allowed infinite density you could stick a hong-kong style condo skyscraper for the entire population on 0.1 acres and the rest of the land would provide no additional housing utility pushing prices down to whatever the value it is as farmland/business/recreation. The housing value of surrounding land would plumet.

Low land prices are indicative of less restrictive zoning. In more restrictive zoning that punishes building houses on small plots, land becomes more valuable because the land is the license to build a house. i.e. where I live I had to buy more land than I needed because without it I could not build my house, which drives up land prices (increased demand).

The reason why california ADU increase parcel prices is because it prints an additional house license while being illegal to split it off. Otherwise you would be left with two cheaper parcels, although in sum they may be more expensive, but you would still pay less for enough land for license to print a house.

ty6853•1h ago
Technology and automation likely lead to the lion's share in productivity increase. Thus we have seen at least one mode of tech wages that focus on creating higher productivity systems staying strong while many other segments stagnate.

Meanwhile I don't see any evidence education in the past 20 years in the US has yielded a significantly higher quality and efficiency of candidate.

If you want more money all else equal you have to bring something more to the table. If all you bring to the table is being able to use a more efficient machine it's not clear why your wage would elevate rather than the value of the machine (capital) elevating. Merely having as good an education as the guy 20 years ago isn't going to cut it.

DangitBobby•1h ago
I like to think if I employed people, I'd want them to make more money when the company makes more money. It's probably weird to think the entire point of companies, the economy, and society at large is to improve life, though. And I think I'm just slow because I need it spelled out for me how a CEO or the company itself "earned" the gains from automation and productivity tools (that they almost certainly didn't invent themselves) while the employees are just lucky to still be employed.
lotsofpulp•56m ago
How would you compete with other businesses’s that either choose to lower prices or increase investment funding due to the equity’s higher ROI?

The market works because all actors are buyers and sellers, and when buying, you are seeking the lowest price, and when selling, you are seeking the highest price.

If you stop doing that, someone will outcompete you by allocating resources better (absent corruption). It even applies on a household level, where if you spend extra on charity or groceries or whatever, you will have a smaller downpayment to compete for the house you want.

Also, generally, employee pay is highly correlate with the employer’s profit margin (outside of healthcare due to heavy government involvement).

DangitBobby•10m ago
If you have to compete then you have to compete. Let's not pretend that prudent reinvestment of hard-won gains in the face of fierce competition is how wealth inequality has managed to spiral out of control, though. There's econ 101 and then there's reality.
ty6853•56m ago
I think the problem is in a market, at least theoretically, both parties have to offer some mutually beneficial additional benefit in order to capture additional value. Otherwise one side will reject the agreement, because both parties have to be better off for an exchange to happen.
nathan_compton•41m ago
But the agreement will be unfair in precise accord with the degree of power imbalance between the parties. Like if you know the president will call in the national guard to break your strike, you'll accept lower wages.
DangitBobby•4m ago
I think it's safe to say there was a period of time where employees were expected to capture a larger proportion of the value from the technology they utilized in the course of their work than they do now, and they did so despite market forces.
supportengineer•51m ago
Regarding your last sentence - you're describing the "class war".
hnthrow90348765•48m ago
The lack of egalitarian ideals is strictly down to culture among the rich (that is, CEOs, politicians, etc.) and how the country is run.

Capitalism is about competition which inevitably leads to minimizing the cost of labor, and includes no inherent safe guards to protect workers other than what skills they might have. This is why unions had to be formed and is why there is the tension between workers rights and companies today.

nativeit•29m ago
Capitalism loathes competition.
charcircuit•43m ago
At least for public companies employees can buy stock in their company to get exposure to the gains.
IAmBroom•38m ago
Now, thankfully, yes.

There used to be a high $ hurdle to opening investment accounts.

sanderjd•33m ago
Not if they work for a private company. Arguably, employees should just avoid working for private companies that have no mechanism for employees to participate in their equity. But in practice this is unrealistic for lots of people.
marssaxman•27m ago
Investing your capital into the same company which pays your salary is the opposite of diversification, no? The advice I've always read is to sell your ESPP shares immediately, thereby realizing the discount percentage, then put the money into VTSAX or some comparable fund.
Night_Thastus•37m ago
I think you've missed the point. The issue isn't that people want more buying power for the same effort.

The issue is that everything they buy has gotten more expensive. When groceries, rent, cars, medical bills, etc all go up but wages are stagnant, people get crushed.

Some luxury goods have gone down over time, like electronics. But the essentials have all gotten worse.

buckle8017•1h ago
The author states that globalization began in 1994 with NAFTA.

That seems either extremely naive or intentionally deceptive.

Globalization began in 1972 with the opening of China.

Which of course perfectly lines up with the stagnation of American wages.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_visit_by_Richard_Nixon_...

bryanlarsen•57m ago
Globalization is generally considered to have begun in the 1700's, and was given a name and identified as a big deal in the 1920's.

Trade with China was insignificant before 2005; more often than not the US had a surplus with China. We sold them a lot of wheat.

bruce511•43m ago
Maybe your thought there exposes the root of the problem. You are measuring the trade in $ terms. But maybe that's not the right unit when measuring jobs.

Imagine country A makes a product (like say wheat) where the number of jobs needed to make that value is low; while country B makes a product like say, apples, which takes a lot of jobs to produce.

So country A sells say a $1mil load of wheat (10 jobs) and buys $2mil of apples (1000 jobs.)

If we're just measuring trade, the A buys more from B. If we're measuring jobs then B "buys" more than A.

So, maybe, instead of just measuring the value of yhe trade, we need to consider the labor cost of the trade?

I'm really starting to think that maybe national economics and it's relationship to global trade is, you know, complex, and not somehow magically "fixed" with simple stupid tarrif formulas....

bryanlarsen•36m ago
$2mil of apples or 1000 jobs is insignificant compared to the $30T US economy or its 170 million jobs. Similarly, China trade was insignificant to the US economy prior to ~2005, no matter whether you measure it in dollars or jobs.
abakker•19m ago
you are describing a very useful economic term - comparative advantage. In the case above, we have a comparative advantage in wheat production. Obviously the full picture is something that economists DO think about, but since our government didn't really do any useful analysis in the formulation of our tariff structure, its unsurprising that they didn't really get it right.

Something to consider in your thought process - take two relatively recent stimulus efforts - 2008 and 2020 - the first was primarily quantitative easing - a classic trickle down effort since all the money went to bank balance sheets and trickled down to individuals, the QE stimulus had almost no impact on inflation. Vs Covid which was direct household stimulus and immediately led to inflationary pressure.

A link I don't see mentioned often is most central banks didn't start an inflation targeting policy until the 90s. Prior to that it was still an objective but managed much worse. https://www.richmondfed.org/publications/research/econ_focus.... this link contains a chart that looks at the inflation volatility over time.

I happen to think that a consequence of managed inflation, balanced against aggregate employment is consistent wage pressure. In essence, wage growth in my mental model on this is a consequence where upward inflation swings drive wage gains, while downward ones drive more unemployment. If inflation is managed closely to avoid volatility, then redistributive effects of volatility are limited.

evanjrowley•53m ago
Popular commenters on that article are saying the overlooked factor is increases in labor supply driven by women, immigration, and baby boomers. Both increases in the labor supply and competition from China might be be significant forces for wage stagnation.
bachmeier•20m ago
That doesn't make much sense. Even allowing a few years for adjustment, the US only imported 158.3M from China in 1975. That's 0.007% of US GDP. (Not 0.7%, 0.007%.)

https://chinese-legal-studies.law.columbia.edu/sites/chinese...

The US didn't have persistent trade deficits until 1982, and even that reversed by 1992. It was 1997-2006 that the trade deficit as a share of GDP exploded.

aaronbaugher•12m ago
Right. When Ross Perot predicted the "giant sucking sound" in 1992, he was talking about NAFTA, which hadn't gone into effect yet. And that was small potatoes compared to the deficit with China that would come.
jmclnx•1h ago
Here is a list:

* Union Busting

* Wall Street pushing growth above profits

* US Gov policies since 1981

libraryatnight•1h ago
So in a reductionist view: greed.
aidenn0•25m ago
Are you suggesting greed was absent in the US prior to 1973?
dfxm12•46m ago
The article says, there are a few theories, but none of them really satisfies.

You're right to suggest it's really multiple reasons that need to be considered to get the full picture. They're interconnected. Gov policies weaken unions. Weak unions allow corporation to take advantage of workers, at the behest of wall street. Money gets concentrated, gov policies get bought. The cycle goes on. In this way, we can say the effect is systemic, and fixing the issue will take undoing most, if not all, of the causes.

stevenwoo•35m ago
I would only dissent in that it was prior to 1981, Lewis Powell laid the outline for the corporate world's reaction to consumers asserting nascent rights ala Nader https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_F._Powell_Jr.#Powell_Mem... and would later serve on the Supreme Court with a big influence for decades.
timewizard•1h ago
Monopolies.

Why would that be hard to understand? When companies don't need to compete for your labor they won't.

Also it's not just wages. The entire market is stagnant. Innovation has ground to a halt and billions are poured into wasteful deadend technologies.

JumpCrisscross•45m ago
> Monopolies. Why would that be hard to understand?

Valid hypothesis. Needs to be substantiated, as the author has done, and explain the stagnation and real wage increases.

aaroninsf•1h ago
The broad answer is well known: governmental capture allowed via multiple mechanisms for the near-total capture of real productivity gains to be collected by the wealthy.

This as most here can imagine allowed via recurrent acceleration for the profound wealth inequality we experience today, and directly produced our current collapse of democracy into literal kelpto-oligarchy backed by overwhelmingly powerful surveillance.

The 1% perceived and perceive no self-interest in a rising tide.

Now that hunter-killer machines both online and soon off shall reliably keep what people are still needed at bay, why would they?

I wish this were hyperbolic.

Neither diagnosis nor prediction is.

liveoneggs•52m ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saX3Y7C-MAg
readthenotes1•46m ago
Weird that the author doesn't talk about the expansion of the labor force with more women coming in in the 1970s, nor also the baby boom expansion that happened at the same time.

More workers vying for the same jobs--supply and demand driving down labor costs?

xienze•30m ago
... Or illegal immigrants undercutting American workers in construction and low-skill industries, or H1B workers undercutting American tech workers, or...
nativeit•24m ago
I’m not arguing for/against the points being made, but:

> Update: Some people have been asking me if the wage stagnation of 1973-1994 might have been caused by the mass entry of women into the U.S. workforce. Here’s the employment rate (also called the “employment-population ratio”) for American women:

[see article for graph]

You can see that the first part of the timing doesn’t line up here. When the wage stagnation began, American women had already been entering the workforce at a steady clip for 25 years. (The labor force participation rate for women looks much the same). Also, empirical evidence suggests at most a small effect of female labor supply on male wages — and if you look at the breakdown for men and women, you see that the stagnation for men was worse than for women over 1973-1994.

And theoretically speaking, women’s mass entry into the workforce shouldn’t produce an overall decline in wages. Just like immigration or a baby boom, women’s entry into the workforce is both a positive labor supply shock and also a positive labor demand shock at the same time — when women earn more, they spend most of what they earn, on things that require labor to produce.1 So we shouldn’t expect the addition of women to the workforce to hold down wages.

Thus, this theory also doesn’t line up with the timing of the stagnation, and it’s not clear why we would expect it to be a major factor in the first place.

EOF

xienze•22m ago
> when women earn more, they spend most of what they earn, on things that require labor to produce.

Uh, what happens if the labor to produce things costs pennies because it's all been shipped out to China?

millipede•44m ago
There's a great graph showing the wages stagnating compared to GDP growth. It looks like wage's haven't gone up. But, when adding back in employer provided health coverage and other benefits, the graphs align again. It just wasn't in dollars. TFA briefly mentions it but I think it should be front and center.
temp0826•29m ago
Without digging in to details that's an interesting thought. If modern american healthcare costs were to (magically) get under control, would wages become reasonable (per other living expenses) again?
SilasX•27m ago
That feels like sleight-of-hand though.

Previously (example numbers): Median compensation is $55k + health insurance.

After: Median compensation is $55k + health insurance.

"So nothing changed?"

"Wrong! Health insurance costs more for the same benefits, so really, you got a raise!"

Yeah, sorry if I'm not celebrating.

Buttons840•1m ago
What you've described is worse than flat wages.

The business-owner class benefits from the health system, because the business-owners are the gatekeepers of healthcare (typically, people get healthcare only through their employer). The worker class is less likely to benefit from the free part of the "free market" because their healthcare is tied to their employer; it's just harder to do anything except work a typical 9-to-5 for a business-owner.

The healthcare industry also benefits because they get to suck up a large portion of the GDP; trillions of dollars.

So wages aren't only flat, but the wage growth that should have happened instead went into a corrupt system. Wages aren't honestly flat, they are corruptly flat.

greenavocado•39m ago
Everything you need to know: http://wtfhappenedin1971.com/
mplewis•37m ago
This site is completely crank.
bryanlarsen•33m ago
Thorough debunking: https://www.google.com/search?q=wtfhappenedin1971+site%3Anew...
rgreeko42•34m ago
I truly do not understand how Noah Smith, a truly vapid and frankly unintelligent writer, makes it to the front page of this website so often. His writing goes whichever way is soothing to those with money and power.
jollyllama•28m ago
Well sure, finance rose uninterrupted since the end of WW2, but the 70s was when the real asset stripping began.
notepad0x90•19m ago
I know this is being overly reductive, but I think it sort of boils down to not enough minimum wage workers that vote and everyone else either not caring about low-wage workers, being held hostage by "right to work" (means you can get fired any time for any reason) laws, or relying on job hopping for wage increase.

I have seen companies turn down good candidates for jobs too many times, as a result of speculating that the candidate is too good (they'll expect to get paid more). You don't even have to ask for high wages, you have to dumb down your resume and underplay yourself at some point if you want to be considered for a majority of non-junior roles these days, just so you get a shot at an actual interview and low-ball offer.

mistrial9•15m ago
D-E-M-C-R-A.... oh forget it..
AndyNemmity•3m ago
"The timing of America’s wage stagnation — roughly, 1973 through 1994 — just didn’t line up well with the era of globalization that began with NAFTA in"

The argument isn't that any of this began with NAFTA. The argument as I've always understood it was that it began as the Neoliberal project which started in the late 60s, and early 70s.

The 1973-1994 period wasn't before globalization. It was the period where the groundwork was laid to make labor vulnerable to the type of globalization that neoliberals wanted.

The threat of capital flight for example was already being used to attack workers.

The breakdown of the Bretton Woods system was the start which aligns perfectly with the time period.

Noam Chomsky on the topic

"Bretton Woods restrictions on finance were dismantled, finance was freed, speculation boomed, huge amounts of capital started going into speculation against currencies and other paper manipulations, and the entire economy became financialized.

The power of the economy shifted to the financial institutions, away from manufacturing. And since then, the majority of the population has had a very tough time; in fact it may be a unique period in American history. There’s no other period where real wages — wages adjusted for inflation — have more or less stagnated for so long for a majority of the population and where living standards have stagnated or declined." - https://chomsky.info/20090210/

So we start off with an flawed view of the world, and then we move forward with the argument to explain it through other means.

The 1973-1994 wage stagnation isn't a "mystery" caused by a patchwork of unrelated events. It's a direct consequence of a fundamental, politically driven shift in the economic regime, specifically the dismantling of the Bretton Woods system in the early 1970s and the subsequent financialization of the economy and deregulation.