Given that the Israel/Palestine conflict has huge support groups on both sides, it's also plausible that the Israel votes were just genuine, if politically motivated Israel supporters.
But some smells are definitely there.
To get more information about the conflict, I had subscribed to the newsletter of the Deutsch-Israelische Gesellschaft, one of the largest pro-Israel lobbying groups in Germany. Lo and behold, they sent out a mail to all their subscribers on the day of the final, calling to vote for Yuval, with phone number and everything included. They had done the same thing last year as well.
I'd classify this as a "gray area", as the subscribers of that list would be very likely to be hard-line Israel supporters anyway. However, not all of them would be interested in the ESC or would know how to vote, so it's definitely a form of mobilization. (I assume similar organizations in other countries did the same)
What I found more suspicious is the massive amount of online votes that were given, according to [1]. First, it's remarkable that online votes make up the lion's share of all votes, absolutely dwarfing phone votes. This is even though the show itself still gives the impression that voting is mostly being done by phone.
Also the total amount of online votes seems to have grown much more steeply between semifinals and final than the total audience. That seems to suggest some kind of brigading going on - though it still doesn't say anything about how organized it was.
The starting field was more even than usual I believe. I think 'supporters' might sway things alot when that is the case. And Yuval was alone in her genre while the other were crowded. Maybe the Swiss one too in the same genre?
xg15•1h ago
Didn't actually watch it this time, but yeah. From the summary it was sort of hilarious how many countries were suddenly going for "epic opera" type acts, after Nemo had won with that style last year.
"Winner copycat law" is real, apparently.
rightbyte•1h ago
I of course also didn't watch it.
But I was hearing half the whole thing from another room and I distinctly remember thinking "oh, that normal boring song can win this".
But I am no expert. Just half hearted guessing.
nothercastle•1h ago
It probably as simple as running a bot with virtual credit cards. Do they even care if the votes are legit as long as the money clears?
xg15•2h ago
Given that the Israel/Palestine conflict has huge support groups on both sides, it's also plausible that the Israel votes were just genuine, if politically motivated Israel supporters.
But some smells are definitely there.
To get more information about the conflict, I had subscribed to the newsletter of the Deutsch-Israelische Gesellschaft, one of the largest pro-Israel lobbying groups in Germany. Lo and behold, they sent out a mail to all their subscribers on the day of the final, calling to vote for Yuval, with phone number and everything included. They had done the same thing last year as well.
I'd classify this as a "gray area", as the subscribers of that list would be very likely to be hard-line Israel supporters anyway. However, not all of them would be interested in the ESC or would know how to vote, so it's definitely a form of mobilization. (I assume similar organizations in other countries did the same)
What I found more suspicious is the massive amount of online votes that were given, according to [1]. First, it's remarkable that online votes make up the lion's share of all votes, absolutely dwarfing phone votes. This is even though the show itself still gives the impression that voting is mostly being done by phone.
Also the total amount of online votes seems to have grown much more steeply between semifinals and final than the total audience. That seems to suggest some kind of brigading going on - though it still doesn't say anything about how organized it was.
[1] https://escxtra.com/2025/05/19/rtve-asks-for-audit-of-spanis...
rightbyte•1h ago
xg15•1h ago
"Winner copycat law" is real, apparently.
rightbyte•1h ago
But I was hearing half the whole thing from another room and I distinctly remember thinking "oh, that normal boring song can win this".
But I am no expert. Just half hearted guessing.