(I'm still listening to the second one, so thoughts based on the first one)
I dont know who was speaking between the two hosts but it struck me how one of them characterized their relationship with Apple. This person looked up to Apple, like a "parent". They wanted "their approval", and it was painful to see them come to that realization.
To me they also correctly identify the level of agency they gave up, and how they should be beholden to customers/users rather than this towering company, that never knew any of them existed.
There was a nugget in their about how on the web, there are no gatekeepers .. which is something all the web dev folks have been clamoring about for years. It was frustrating all these years (and even now) when Apple enthusaists come up with party-lines to justify why Apple should restrict browser engines on iOS, or some other stupid reason.
Apple has always wanted to have an upper hand, and it is refreshing to see Apple enthusiasts reflect and come around.
bitpush•1d ago
(replying to self with thoughts on the second podcast)
It is a hard listen. Seeing the host accept that they are being "willfully naive" in holding out for a better outcome from Apple leadership.
I understand that devs have invested time/effort in Apple ecosystem, but if you take a step back - this is textbook abusive relationship. Hoping for better days, thinking that "it will all pass, and happy days are just around the corner".
bitpush•1d ago
(I'm still listening to the second one, so thoughts based on the first one)
I dont know who was speaking between the two hosts but it struck me how one of them characterized their relationship with Apple. This person looked up to Apple, like a "parent". They wanted "their approval", and it was painful to see them come to that realization.
To me they also correctly identify the level of agency they gave up, and how they should be beholden to customers/users rather than this towering company, that never knew any of them existed.
There was a nugget in their about how on the web, there are no gatekeepers .. which is something all the web dev folks have been clamoring about for years. It was frustrating all these years (and even now) when Apple enthusaists come up with party-lines to justify why Apple should restrict browser engines on iOS, or some other stupid reason.
Apple has always wanted to have an upper hand, and it is refreshing to see Apple enthusiasts reflect and come around.
bitpush•1d ago
It is a hard listen. Seeing the host accept that they are being "willfully naive" in holding out for a better outcome from Apple leadership.
I understand that devs have invested time/effort in Apple ecosystem, but if you take a step back - this is textbook abusive relationship. Hoping for better days, thinking that "it will all pass, and happy days are just around the corner".