i am all for sunsetting X11, move it to the attic, abandon it, whatever.
but banning someone who cares about it and removing their proposed contributions, feels hostile.
letting interested people take over an old project that you no longer care about is part of what FOSS is all about.
the_hoser•8mo ago
The continuation of X11 is likely not why he was banned.
em-bee•8mo ago
bad behavior on the guys part, if that is what you are thinking, should also not warrant the removal of all PRs, tickets and what not, unless that was all over his messages in them.
Rochus•8mo ago
> The continuation of X11 is likely not why he was banned.
Well, according to the article, Weigelt claims he was censored and that the ban was an attempt by Red Hat to eliminate competition and push for the adoption of Wayland; this action resulted in the deletion of his account, repositories, tickets, and over 140 merge requests associated with the Xorg project.
wmf•8mo ago
Textbook conspiracy theory. Now let's hear the other side.
Rochus•8mo ago
The article presents both sides and rather states a pessimistic view on the Xlibre project's chances of success.
84ydk•8mo ago
Well, i can claim i am the king of England and it wont make it any more true then he saying he was censored..
He sent a ton of merge requests with crap code without doing any basic testing that broke a bunch of stuff without doing any meaningful work, there was no new features, no bugs fixed, no nothing, he was only changing code style and rearranging stuff without really any basic understanding on why things are the way they are..
the people that need to review his garbage untested MR warned him multiple times and eventually got fed up..
This guy is all bark and no bite.. i doubt anything will come out of this and it is very unlikely that any serious distro will ever package his shit X11 if it ever work..
this guy have a more technical review of his code:
I don't know how much research the author/publisher of the article did. They claim on their site that "Linuxiac is an independent media platform that publishes the latest news from the Linux world and open-source software. Founded by Bobby Borisov and launched in May 2020, it has quickly become a trusted resource for thousands of users daily, providing insights into all things Linux & open source."
84ydk•8mo ago
dont know where he said that and not sure why this is relevant..
i have seen his PRs myself and fully agreee with the author/publisher..
Rochus•8mo ago
I didn't have that much press when I forked Qt and started LeanQt ;-)
Rochus•8mo ago
> i am all for sunsetting X11, move it to the attic, abandon it, whatever.
Despite its flaws, X11 has key strengths and its abandonment is not without controversy. The same developers maintaining Xorg also created Wayland, so there might be a conflict of interest.
Mordagh•8mo ago
> but banning someone who cares about it and removing
> their proposed contributions, feels hostile.
> @metux i appreciate you maintaining and trying to improve Xorg but
> this is the second time you break it recently, you really should
> implement more testing...
and
> Honestly, I would strongly recommend just not merging anything @metux
> does from now on. I do not feel that their presence here has been a net
> positive -- I have seen zero actual bugs solved by any of their code
> changes. What I have seen is build breakage, ABI breakage, and ecosystem
> churn from moving code around and deleting code.
> Xorg could use some actual maintenance, but that means fixing actual
> bugs and solving real problems.
em-bee•8mo ago
but banning someone who cares about it and removing their proposed contributions, feels hostile.
letting interested people take over an old project that you no longer care about is part of what FOSS is all about.
the_hoser•8mo ago
em-bee•8mo ago
Rochus•8mo ago
Well, according to the article, Weigelt claims he was censored and that the ban was an attempt by Red Hat to eliminate competition and push for the adoption of Wayland; this action resulted in the deletion of his account, repositories, tickets, and over 140 merge requests associated with the Xorg project.
wmf•8mo ago
Rochus•8mo ago
84ydk•8mo ago
He sent a ton of merge requests with crap code without doing any basic testing that broke a bunch of stuff without doing any meaningful work, there was no new features, no bugs fixed, no nothing, he was only changing code style and rearranging stuff without really any basic understanding on why things are the way they are..
the people that need to review his garbage untested MR warned him multiple times and eventually got fed up..
This guy is all bark and no bite.. i doubt anything will come out of this and it is very unlikely that any serious distro will ever package his shit X11 if it ever work..
this guy have a more technical review of his code:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44202935
Rochus•8mo ago
84ydk•8mo ago
i have seen his PRs myself and fully agreee with the author/publisher..
Rochus•8mo ago
Rochus•8mo ago
Despite its flaws, X11 has key strengths and its abandonment is not without controversy. The same developers maintaining Xorg also created Wayland, so there might be a conflict of interest.
Mordagh•8mo ago
airhangerf15•8mo ago
g-b-r•8mo ago
He's even worse than what others already said.