2 Minnesota lawmakers shot in politically motivated killings, governor says

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/minnesota-lawmakers-shot-1.7561491

102•awnird•7mo ago

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AnimalMuppet•7mo ago

Two lawmakers (and two spouses) shot in their homes, one lawmaker and one spouse dead.

Shooter is disguised as a police officer.

https://apnews.com/article/minnesota-lawmakers-shot-d7983e1e...

matsemann•7mo ago

How do you see the difference between a terrorist claiming to be police, and a police officer with a mask and incoherent outfit (ICE)?

nis0s•7mo ago

The police there has been instructed to conduct affairs in pairs today, people have been instructed to report any police officers traveling alone/solo. You can also call 911 dispatch to confirm any police at your door is legit.

xnx•7mo ago

> police officer with a mask and incoherent outfit (ICE)

Is there an explanation for why ICE agents dress like TACTICOOL SWAT LARPers?

matsemann•7mo ago

Yeah, was kinda my point, but wasn't a popular one based on the down votes. But my question is genuine. When you see 5 officers, all in various colors and personal gear, how can you actually know it's not just a gang dressing up? If they would come for me, why shouldn't I fight back with my life if I cannot be assured it's real cops?

mbrumlow•7mo ago

The barrier for making a uniform that looks official is so low idk by this should ever be used as a verification method.

But if I were to guess. It’s because I’d a bunch of people rolled up in ICE uniforms it would in some situations make it easy to evade.

burnt-resistor•7mo ago

The latter will scream "STOP RESISTING" while beating you.

irthomasthomas•7mo ago

"very convincingly dressed as a police officer... driving what looked like a police SUV with emergency lights activated."

https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/speaker-emerita-melissa-...

Edit - they have the SUV but the not the shooter. Police found him at the second address and exchanged gun fire with him before he escaped on foot.

Edit2 - SUV contains a list of targets, a manifesto, and many pieces of paper with 'No kings' printed on them. https://x.com/MnDPS_MSP/status/1933918239504929129

lawn•7mo ago

The military has been deployed against civilians after masked government officials have been disappeared people.

And now political opponents have been murdered by an unidentified person wearing police clothes and driving a police car.

On the day of a military parade that would make Putin proud.

And most people don't care, or even cheer.

OgsyedIE•7mo ago

The article doesn't mention any details about public alerts. I'd like to see the eventual postmortem cover whether there were any warnings being sent directly to phones in Anoka, Hennepin and Ramsay counties or if alerts have been limited to older messaging methods.

Also, although many people would pin this purely on the political climate there appears to be an inadequate system for reliable identification nowadays that is also enabling a rise in impersonations.

gorpy7•7mo ago

Someone very local to the scene said they have received about 5 alerts so far.

andygeorge•7mo ago

I live in Brooklyn Park and received 5, the last of which lifted the shelter in place order.

Tadpole9181•7mo ago

How is the lack of reliable identification not a direct result of the political climate?

The Republican party believes it is acceptable for LEO and ICE to wear masks, refuse to give their names or badges or IDs, to swoop in with unmarked cars in plain clothes and point guns at civilians in order to kidnap "suspects" without warrant or apparent cause, then deny them lawyers and potentially ship them to other countries. They believe police should not wear bodycams, they believe they cannot be held liable for the damages, even bodily, that they cause. In fact, they even encourage the abuse of suspects and get on press conferences to explicitly state their plan to harm or kill. The sitting President has repeatedly joked about it on camera.

The Democratic party is the antithesis of this. Accountability, monitoring, zero-trust. Cameras, restraint, more limited roles, community outreach.

And now, here, someone dressed up as LEO assassinated Democratic legislators.

treetalker•7mo ago

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

SauciestGNU•7mo ago

This is more evidence that "secret police" are a threat that must be neutralized. Between assassinations and other imposter crimes, this is becoming a dangerous situation. And it's equally bad for legitimate law enforcement, I've read about multiple instances of drug enforcement raids being disrupted because the public thinks it's an ICE raid or other illegitimate paramilitary operation.

mandmandam•7mo ago

> The Democratic party is the antithesis of this.

I really wonder how you got that impression.

I saw Democrats funding 'cop cities', and paying for police to learn their tactics from the IDF. I saw Biden proposing increasing police budgets by $1.7 billion dollars (after months of global BLM protests). I saw Obama, Biden and top Democrats happily voting to fund ICE, and boasting of deporting more immigrants than any other admin in history.

Republicans to police: "Shoot criminals dead."

Democrats to police: "Why can't you just shoot criminals in the leg?"

... That's not what an "antithesis" looks like.

If you want real reform of ICE and the police, and expect to get it from Democrats just because they say they will, then you're gonna have to keep ignoring an awful lot of inconvenient reality.

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