Thanks to AI, we have the power to bankrupt an entire category of laborer.
Bullshit. I absolutely want to go back. I am so exhausted of having to code review bullshit, of executives who think AI is magic based on bullshit, of junior devs thinks they're incredible because of bullshit proofread by hours of senior eng work - the same juniors who will never grow into seniors due to overreliance on bullshit.
I ABSOLUTELY want to go back.
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You do that.
Would this guy have said these things if he had not been sending other AIs to write what he thought, this whole time? I find I'm studying this screed as if turning over a rock. Fascinated, concerned, dismayed.
The real punchline would be that the guy's died but left some machines to continue to post in his absence. If one hand claps in the forest but there's nobody to hear, is he still shit in the woods?
I've spent a lot of time doing this sort of agentic coding and it's ... not great as your full time Thing.
Much better for it to be auxiliary boost.
He made his life a kind of hell I wouldn't wish my worst enemy: he's now fully a slave to the machine. What started as a sales pitch turned rapidly into a disturbingly transparent exercise in self-loathing
The problem then, as he makes clear, is the collapse of everything else. His own self-worth, for example, he finds gone at the moment it's most important to him. In the post he just sounds a little too honest, which is how engineers usually sound when they're burning out -- no mystery considering the draining relationship he describes having to his work.
This is the same contradiction he cannot address elsewhere: is his talent 1000% leveraged because he is an uber-god programmer? Is he addicted to a powerful and expensive drug? Is his involvement in his work so inconsequential that he could just be playing video games? Is AI sheparding the most valuable work in society because it has unlimited potential? Or are these people just leaderboarding to slurp up a limited pool of value while dunking on the people working to expand the boundaries of what is possible in the human world?
Amdahl's law in action: the economic gain from coding agents is ultimately bottlenecked by the slowest serial component in the system. In this case... Steve Yegge himself.
Which is why the goal is to replace Yegge entirely. Even the perfect coding assistant which makes Yegge 100x more productive is still 100x worse than full replacement and running 10,000 virtual Yegges in parallel. Why settle for 1%?
You're bragging about a gambling addiction.
> I can't bring myself to leave when my brutes are hungry. I've tried, it's a no-go. I have to run a practiced escape plan every night to get my computer closed by 2am. First I get them all spinning at once. Then I leap up, run out of the room, slam the door, jam my fingers in my ears, and sprint away shouting lalalala.
> It's potent stuff. If you do attempt running six agents in separate workstreams, bring potable water and a couple of empty jugs.
Technology has a concentrating effect. When tech makes a thing cheaper, easier, and more accessible, more can happen. Mostly this is good. Mostly a bunch of other newly possible stuff happens too.
But with almost everything there's a point of concentration beyond which it switches over to being harmful. That point is different for everyone and even could be different for the same person on a different day. It's up to each of us to enforce our own boundaries.
Not everything can be enforced by individuals refusing to play. Sometimes a thing needs to be enforced at a societal level. Consider why there are speed limits on roads. Cars can go really really fast, and people in a hurry hate being held up. By capping the speed everyone can go, there's less FOMO and less danger when driving. This stuff is easy to understand when the risk is bodily harm. Sadly humans struggle to see the same phenomenon when all it's doing is wrecking your sleep and downtime and getting in the way of doing literally anything else. So maybe, this will need to be enforced at a societal level. Australia already has "right to disconnect" laws, for example.
But the risk of addiction doesn't stop at individuals.
Further in comes the turn: Stevey's stopped pulling his agentic coding slot machine lever long enough to shill an obscure product which adds a layer of competition among your teammates. Now the casino gets a new jackpot board and FOMO because your teammates are better gamblers than you.
> Amp is also more fun. It takes a different design approach, being intentionally team-centric. Amp gamifies your agentic development by making it public, with leaderboards and friendly competition, as well as liberal thread sharing. It all manages to be low-pressure and engaging.
You can tell Steve doesn't believe his own words because he doesn't back up that final sentence at all, nor does he back up his statement with personal experience. Whatever Amp becomes in a team context, Steve only wrote enough about it to collect a paycheck. Make of that what you will.
It is definitely not all bad. Despite being addictive, with good guardrails you can produce a lot high quality work.
Just don't addict yourself to pulling that next item off the backlog, or trying one more time to feel that magic mind-reading vibe when the agent nails it. Rather, work your hours then go out and stare at the sun. Or get the code done as fast as possible and spend more time talking to customers so you can be sure the thing you're building really fast is actually the thing they need.
I really wish we could still have that Steve's thoughts.
treetalker•7mo ago
But seriously: as an attorney, I find that this writing perfectly reflects what I imagine it must be like to live inside the head of someone who agentic-vibe-codes for a living. It's all over the map; pulled (and pulling the reader) in a dozen different directions; non-standard; mixing metaphors and idioms; likely 20x longer than it ought to be; and almost able to figure out its own point in the pastiche as it flails around.
I imagine that the coding results of the process described would be similar. Would that be an accurate prediction?
ameliaquining•7mo ago
swah•7mo ago
Also, after explaining how society is moving at extraordinary pace, you write a book, and don't even have a link yet? I feel exactly like him though (old) but trying to join the fun.
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