We should really just grow clones in labs and harvest them for parts.
Remove the brains at week 16 through genetic and surgical means. Keep the rest of the body artificially alive. Expensive upfront, but massively scaleable.
MHC, ABO, etc. complexes engineered to be transplant compatible.
We could replace organs and blood as we age. In fifty years, full head transplants could tackle every disease except brain and blood cancers and neurodegeneration. Every other disease solved.
It's so simple and obvious, but nobody can get over the egocentric morality qualms and superstitious ick factor.
Our bodies are plants. It's our minds that are special. We should be able to transplant every other part.
Pluripotent cells work fine in many animals with no apparent problems and avoid all of the issues with the clone approach. If pluripotent cells turn out to cause problems, then we could always engineer a kill switch to make sure they die off after the limb is regrown.
But for getting us into a ridiculously drawn out war, and another war, and…oh and paving the way for drone strikes, for helping lead the country into a recession, for being - at the time - really good at embarrassing the office, he still pretty much gets to just paint or whatever and fuck off.
A bit mad to think about how much I miss him compared to gestures at everything. “Mission Accomplished”, vomiting on (iirc) the Japanese PM, being oddly good at dodging shoes to the head, this is like seeing a toddler destroy a car and going “cuuuuuute”.
Cheney, on the other hand, shot a guy in the head “on accident” and by my count has no redeeming qualities unless…nope, just checked and he’s still alive.
Ever notice as we age, get hurt, that table, network, updates?
For some injuries, part of the imperfect process, is a relearn, recalibrate step involved. Once that has played out. The whole thing works as a unit.
I can sometimes remember what it used to be like. Being able to move jn some way, or some rate.
And when I try and do it today, there is a very deep inhibition. My brain / body knows it no longer happens that way,
And these things may be why physical therapy helps. No pain. No gain. We have someone else pushing us. Manipulating our bodies in ways that challenge those built in metrics.
So, it hurts, but it is good hurt. Triggers that network to reconsider, update, whatever.
The gut has the enteric nervous system with half a billion nerve cells and a hundred million neurons. Where's the clear divide between 'brain' and 'everything else'?
> "full head transplants could tackle every disease except"
except being quadraplegic and in an Iron Lung because reconnecting the spinal column is indistinguishable from magic at this point. What about the risks involved in major surgery and rehab? The hospital staffing and effort and costs involved in doing multiple organ transplant surgeries per lifetime for each of hundreds of millions of people? Saying "it's so simple" doesn't make it simple.
But by using only three of the four factors, you can still induce pluripotency, but with much lower cancer risk.
I think that cloning individual organs is much more promising than cloning entire bodies and then harvesting. Much less work, you don't have an entire body you need to either upkeep or dispose of.
It seems more likely for there to be a single set of genes responsible for growing a limb than 2 sets in the Axolotl. Especially since the new limbs seem identical to the old ones, rather than following a distinct backup blueprint.
There’s actually a theory that hominid ancestors at some point split off from other great apes by also not going through the typical great ape sexual maturity. For examples humans look a lot more like juvenile chimps that we do sexually mature chimps.
I’m obviously not an expert.
https://jbiol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/jbiol105/fi...
It's fairly reminiscent of how limb growth looks during embryogenesis - and I think considering that is how other vertebrate (such as axolotl) regeneration looks, that it's probably what human limb regrowth would be like too. So your second description sounds more like it, but with continuing development of 'prior' parts while the 'later' parts (fingers etc) are still developing.
Michael Levin's group have experimented with a 'bioreactor' that can be attached to the stump of an amputated limb in frogs (that don't ordinarily regenerate limbs) and after a short period of treatment (days), the reactor is removed and the limb then regenerates on its own over the next few months. They are looking into reproducing this in rats now, with the clearly-stated aim of similar human regeneration being the ultimate goal.
I wholeheartedly recommend watching some of Levin's lectures on YouTube, there are a great many of them and I think they're both illuminating and fascinating!
There's just not enough expressiveness in electricity. You can vary the voltage (a bit) and polarity. Maybe the steepness of the voltage gradient.
This just is not enough. And we already know at least _some_ of the molecular signalling machinery (the good old Hox genes, for example).
It is about ion transfer between cells that sets up and maintains those patterns of electrochemical gradients. Gap junctions (the cellular pores that facilitate ion transfer) are not unique to neuron cells either, and nor are they even unique to multicellular tissues! It is now thought that this type of intercellular communication evolved in single-celled microorganisms even before the advent of multicellularity (like in biofilms and in quorum-sensing such as what yeasts are known to employ).
I totally see what you're saying if you interpret this as electricity like electrons/electromagnetic-fields in a wire with power running through it, but that is really not what Levin's work is about at all.
But that's literally all that you need, isn't it? I understood the whole thing about Levin's bio-electric fields is this: it's a "global" signal that lets cells know where they are in the target structure that's not uniformly symmetric. It's not the full structure description, just lowest-frequency view - head is here, tail is there, etc.
Also I thought that was experimentally confirmed.
Would it male you prone to get cancer, since all that replication "depleted" our stem cells and brown fat reserves? What about our telomeres?
Hoo boy, I am seeing some serious fuel for snake oil, here.
I wonder how long before I start getting spam selling retinoic acid as an aid in growing ... er, a ... limb ...
Also, I wonder if the article was edited by AI. That may not be a bad thing, but it would be interesting if The Smithsonian is using AI editors.
Even with chicken livers, which have a lower content of vitamin A than many other kinds of livers, if you would eat for some days chicken livers as your only source of proteins that would become a serious health risk.
Without the danger posed by vitamin A, that could have seemed like a valid choice, as chicken livers are usually cheaper per amount of protein than most other kinds of meat, while being tasty and containing many beneficial nutrients.
With vitamin A there is a narrow range between getting too little and getting too much.
Only getting your vitamin A as carotene from plants poses no danger (one carrot per day, i.e. about 100 g, typically matches the recommended daily intake for vitamin A), because the body will not convert carotene into vitamin A when there already is enough vitamin A.
How many days? Because when we cook chicken livers we make enough for like 3 days here... perhaps I'm dead and I don't know it.
I have read a study that sampled chicken livers for a detailed chemical analysis. The values were consistent for a given producer, but between producers the content of vitamin A could vary ten times. There is no doubt that chicken from the brands with high vitamin A content have been fed with vitamin supplements.
The values of typical vitamin A content for chicken liver that you see in various databases correspond to traditionally fed chicken and if you would eat such chicken livers to cover about half of your daily protein intake that would be slightly below the maximum acceptable intake of vitamin A. Raw chicken liver has slightly more than 1/6 of its weight as protein. Cooked chicken liver retains about 2/3 of the weight of raw chicken liver, due to losing water.
Unfortunately, you cannot know whether the chicken liver that you buy is not one of those with much higher vitamin A content, and the excess of vitamin A is eliminated very slowly from your body.
Eating chicken liver for a week from time to time should not cause any problems, but you cannot use them as a staple food, like you can with the more expensive and more bland chicken breast.
Any idea why? My layman guess is it’s a non-famous byproduct of chicken muscle, that people tends to consume more. Would removing the availability/demand (=make it more popular) reverse the price?
Thanks for the information about carotene > vitA, it resonates like the heme/non heme iron where the heme one is easier to get but can slip to too much, leading to more oxidation and then (in extreme case) concert (IIRC that’s one of the way too much read meat induce cancer risks). OTOH non heme iron (in cereals, peas, fruits, vegetables and milk) is directly used for catalysis and isn’t store, so one can’t get too much.
I’m a layman, don’t take what I said as authoritative. You’re welcome to point out if I’m wrong or add precision.
Just picking up old rags and bottles,
When onward on my way I plod,
I saw a host of axolotls;
Beside the lake, beneath the trees,
A sight to make a man’s blood freeze.
//
Some had handles, some were plain;
They came in blue, red pink, and green.
A few were orange in the main;
The damnedest sight I’ve ever seen.
The females gave a sprightly glance;
The male ones all wore knee-length pants.
//
Now oft, when on the couch I lie,
The doctor asks me what I see.
They flash upon my inward eye
And make me laugh in fiendish glee.
I find my solace then in bottles,
And I forget them axolotls.
//Mad Magazine, issue 43, 1958 //
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