Perhaps, but there’s also just many good alternatives now.

Given Chinese car sales are up, it does seem you do like native ethnic genocides though

Neither Musk nor China are fascist, it's a shame to see this sort of hyperbole take over HackerNews too.

Can't turn this around. We remember all he did. The only way to turn it around would be to resign as Tesla CEO.

No idea why you are downvoted.

He should apologise,stay quiet, not get involved in politics or try to influence elections in Europe by supporting far right or other extreme parties.

Not sure if he can salvage it at this point.

Even if he steps away completely, the brand is still damaged and the competition is catching up pretty fast.

I think it's not that easy. Musk was _extremely_ present in the media for months and months. Whatever apology or change of heart he could do, he would need to manage to get a similar level of exposure for that. If he's no longer involved in politics (a change of heart probably wouldn't exactly help with that), I don't know if that's even possible. Perhaps if his companies have a number of major breakthroughs or at least new promises.

And that's not even considering how a change of heart would probably hurt his government connections and other funding sources in the near future.

His best chance is possibly to stay on course but tone it down, and generate some (at least perceived) successes with his companies. If he can stay in the game for another couple of years, I'd bet consumers will have mostly forgotten and focus on the products they're getting. I'm not exactly a fan of the CEOs of most companies I'm a customer of. Musk managed to be too much for many, but I don't think that'll stick for very long.

Or just cash in any shorts/hedges as the company tumbles and buy it back for pennies if it’s worth his trouble in the future. Meanwhile ride a few more hyped statements to pick up some swings to the upside

Elon probably can't accept that his Cybertruck design sucks, so he is slowly forcing the design language onto other models.

I suppose looks are subjective. I think the facelift is appealing, and from what I've seen online the general reaction has been pretty good in comment sections.

Most importantly, it differentiates the model y from the model 3. Before the facelift the y sort of looked like a bloated model 3 with the exact same design language.

I like the new look of the Y.

I dislike the new look of the Model 3, though, which looked kind of cute and from the front somewhat like a Porsche and now looks sort of aggressive with the thin lights.

they look good irl and pretty poor in photos.

regardless - you do realize tesla isn't about the looks, but user convenience? No car comes close it's integration.

I guess it has been polarising but I have to be honest: I quite like it. Of course it's not Porsche or Audi styling, but I think it's clean and understated and quite functional. Some of the negative sentiment appears to draw parallels with Chinese brands. Perhaps that's true, but I don't dislike BYD styling.

Stopping wars and AI everything would do much more for the planet than dealing with paper straws.

Yet here we are, with no end in sight for them, while I have to feel guilty to prefer something that doesn't destroy itself after a few seconds in contact with liquids, or to take the car, because transport network only favours those that already live in the city.

The majority of EV imports from China to EU have been Teslas in recent years!

The percentage has been falling but it was still about a quarter of imported Chinese made EVs being Tesla in 2023. And a chunk more is European brands like Dacia and BMW.

Projected to be majority Chinese brands from this year though.

I think people generally aren't very attentive on issues like this, and Musk would have been fine had he stuck to merely saying political stuff.

I think it's the Nazi salute where he really fucked up. Because even people that don't read (aka: most people) will look at an image of a Nazi salute and instantly have a strong opinion.

As long as JinPing doesn't do a Nazi salute, most people won't care much about what the Chinese government is doing.

The lesson of the story: Don't do controversial things in a way that makes a good cover page image.

Tesla is the only one with consumer FSD technology.

But that is banned in Europe atm, so it negates Tesla's main advantage.

The wohole thread is misleading here of course.

At this point it's much more interesting how well the Robotaxi is doing. It's still not driving like Waymo (I didn't like how it is desregarding the rules), but in a few years if it is able to scale up, it will scale much much faster and cheaper.

Tesla is the Roomba of electric cars.

Technologically behind the competition and more expensive too, but a strong brand name well known for being one of the first major electric car producers.

Now the brand is toxic BYD etc. will overtake them in Europe too. Ironically, it's Europe's own tariffs against China that have protected them from BYD for this long.

The problem is that they also built their whole story on Musk being the secret sauce and the magic sprinkle. He is the justification behind the PE ratio of (googles) 187x.

Toyota's PE ratio, for a random comparison, is 6.5. It is unfair in many ways, but still, it shows the scale of the valuation gap!