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Biomolecular shifts occur in our 40s and 60s (2024)

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2024/08/massive-biomolecular-shifts-occur-in-our-40s-and-60s--stanford-m.html
125•fzliu•4h ago

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aswegs8•3h ago
That's quite well-known already. The real question here: how do we stop these shifts from happening?
JumpCrisscross•3h ago
> The real question here: how do we stop these shifts from happening?

Or what happens when we stop them? Perpetual adolescence seems mainstream now. But it would be nice to know if some of these changes should be brought up as well as pushed back.

lm28469•50m ago
Isn't perpetual adolescence a lifestyle description, not a biological one?
ulf-77723•2h ago
When I look into my biohacker bubble, the answer might be: enough sleep, regular workout routine with HIIT, healthy whole foods, no alcohol, socializing
ukuina•1h ago
At what age?
andsoitis•1h ago
These should be lifelong behaviors
admissionsguy•1h ago
and yet none of that makes even a dent
bboygravity•1h ago
It does. Look up Brian Johnson
BennyH26•20m ago
Bryan Johnson. Brian Johnson is the “Liver King”
4gotunameagain•16m ago
Both dudes are equally cringe.
irjustin•1h ago
For you personally, maybe not, but statistically yes it does.

There are populations that consistently outlive and the only other thing I would add is stress removal in the form of relatively simple life styles.

lm28469•51m ago
What are you talking about? Doing these things is the only way to increase your quality of life and healthy lifespan, no amount money nor medicine will make up for abusing your body for decades.

These things are quite literally the leading causes of death and impairments in the west...

JonChesterfield•2h ago
Possibly with a hyperbaric oxygen chamber.
trhway•1h ago
and blood of the young.
usrnm•1h ago
Only virgins
hkt•56m ago
There's a subreddit for that
4b11b4•1h ago
strength training
riskassessment•3h ago
If you throw some data at a clustering algorithm, the clustering algorithm is guaranteed to give you clusters back. So I'm not convinced about the results suggesting a precise pattern of rapid aging.
petesergeant•2h ago
Is it possible that scientists employed at Stanford will have also had this insight, and worked around it?
deegles•2h ago
possible, yes. did they? that's the question
blackbear_•1h ago
Yes they did, and published it all.

Sometimes I can't believe how low discussions on HN can fall. Did really nobody in this thread bother to check this? Are we fine disparaging research solely based on the fact that they used a method that gives bad results with bad inputs (which doesn't?) and their incentives could be misaligned (whose aren't?)?

If there are well justified concerns about the method or data then by all means let's talk about it, but please let's all try to keep low effort anti intellectual conspiracy theories away from here.

f1shy•2h ago
It is also very possible that they have big incentives to ignore those just to get something published, don't you think?
bboygravity•1h ago
Are you at or over 40?

Anecdotally I feel I noticed a very fast ageing speed between 38 and 40. Suddenly got white hairs, feel more tired, more wrinkles, way harder to keep VO2max up (I run a lot), muscle sores after training suddenly lasting up to 3 days instead of 1, face looks older, etc.

I feel like that all happened real fast around this age.

isoprophlex•1h ago
I'm 38. We had three kids over a period of 8 years. Looking at old pictures I seemingly held on for a long while, until something hit me at 35-36?!

It's like there's two versions of me now, the one who was somehow moderately fit by biochemical decree, with a healthy amount of flesh to his face, voluminous dark blonde hair and a pleasant complexion...

... And the grey haired, weathered, lined, dessicated mummy I see in the mirror. I love my kids dearly but the constant caring really takes something out of you. That and the whole getting older thing in TFA.

I keep telling myself I'll get a gym membership soon to reclaim some of my dignity.

bboygravity•31m ago
Exercise is not optional.

Go for it!

And try not to be in the majority group of gym goers who pay the membership without attending ;)

gspetr•18m ago
Exactly. As a regular at a non-hardcore gym, I had never appreciated it until I saw the gym sell 12mo membership for the price of 4x 1mo, and then I tried to remember how many people sticked around for a meaningful period. Very few men. No women.

The nearest gym is truly the best gym for 90% of people, as everyone seems to look for excuses not to go. So just go, people there will not bite you or shame you.

bongodongobob•1h ago
Sounds like something someone < 40 would say. To anyone over, I feel like this study is pretty obvious. I'm in my early 40's and whatever change this is, has been discussed multiple times with my peers, active lifestyle or not, wealth or not, married or not, physical career or not. Everything starts to feel a little harder, whether it's exercise, problem solving, memory, sleep, sex drive, appetite, fuckin everything. Things change in your late 30s, for sure.

All young people think they are special and age is just a number. The rest of the population knows that isn't true. Spare me your weight lifting 80 year old, or "my grandpa worked the farm til he was 90" stuff, we all know those are extreme outliers.

uamgeoalsk•58m ago
Turning 44 this year and none of this has hit me at all? Still staying up all night on weekends, working harder than I ever did (not more hours, though), feeling more motivated to take on both paid and unpaid work outside of my job. And my sex drive just as strong (and just as unfulfilled!) as in my 20s and 30s.
kilroy123•42m ago
I'm turning 40 very soon and feel the same.

People also often tell me I look and seem younger than my age.

But I also prioritize sleeping 8 hours a night. Eating low carb. Regular exercise. Plus I have no kids. :-)

bsdz•3h ago
Probably the same study from this slightly older thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41247085
degamad•2h ago
Yep, both eventually link to https://www.nature.com/articles/s43587-024-00692-2 "Nonlinear dynamics of multi-omics profiles during human aging"
bix6•3h ago
34, 60, and 78 according to this other one: https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2019/12/stanford-scie...
nine_k•2h ago
The study in the post agrees on 60, but mentions 44 as the (average? median?) age of another intense change.
morninglight•2h ago
Finally, science has confirmed what our grandparents told us for generations.

Ringo Starr even sang the song, "Life Begins at 40".

raverbashing•1h ago
Sounds like I still haven't gone through the molecular shifts that would have made me forget when this was first posted.
nakedneuron•1h ago
Truth is many people also stop moving (exercising) significantly in their forties (reason being probably sitting lifestyle promotes posture and fascia degradation which makes moving less and less enjoyable).

I'd posit that another significant decline in moving occurs in the sixties when many go in rent.

Not sure if the biological clock is cause of abrupt changes or rather our scheduled lives. So, no significant changes from the sixties on? Then what's the genetic function of those programmations?

People who reach old age (100+) are mostly also comparatively healthy.

nurettin•1h ago
> people also stop moving (exercising) significantly in their forties

Also likely that people who never experienced the negative outcomes of a sedentary or unhealthy life style start doing so due to the biomolecular changes. Drinking more likely to hurt your liver, soda more likely to cause diabetes, smoking more likely to cause cavities despite having done all that for 20 years without visible problems.

gspetr•39m ago
>20 years without visible problems.

Even with the most charitable steelman interpretation of "visible problems", 2 out of 3 things you've listed have strong evidence for being responsible for weight gain, and even smoking has some weaker evidence supporting it.

agumonkey•43m ago
Regular whole body physical activity (not even gym level hard) is such a gem and a free one.
safety1st•11m ago
Without writing a book about it I'll just say that I think the most important thing is people shouldn't look at this info and conclude that their body's going to fall apart no matter what.

I'm in my mid 40s and in the best shape of my life, lots of energy, aches and pains from my late 30s have all disappeared, to get there it took diet and exercise changes that were surprisingly modest. For me it was mostly weights, a little bit of cardio, and cutting back on my worst episodes of caloric excess.

I have friends who didn't do any diet and exercise interventions, and are starting to look like hell and complain about the "inevitable" consequences of aging.

And then there are those jacked dudes in their 70s who are hitting the gym 5 times a week, I can only aspire to be as healthy as them at their age.

Use it (with proper care and feeding) or lose it.

andrepd•6m ago
I'm sure there's also an important component of luck and general health there.
ohthehugemanate•1h ago
Particularly interesting is that when they split the dataset by sex, the transitions were present and at a similar magnitude in both sexes. We make much in western culture of the (peri-)menopausal change in women. I read this as an indicator that at least significant parts of the transition in this age range for men - acknowledged for a long time now - are just as big as menopause.

I don't remember noticing that the last time this study came around, but then again, I am in my mid 40s. :)

squidbeak•53m ago
> I read this as an indicator that at least significant parts of the transition in this age range for men - acknowledged for a long time now - are just as big as menopause

Men emerge from it with their fertility intact.

darkwater•32m ago
Sorry but your post as strong #notallmen vibes. The article itself mentions that part of those changes might just be explained by lifestyle changes at 40s. I quote:

> It's possible some of these changes could be tied to lifestyle or behavioral factors that cluster at these age groups, rather than being driven by biological factors, Snyder said.

Changes in women metabolism due to menopause are pretty known and proved, and men don't experience it. I'm a mid-40s male as well.

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