>> The significance of Lima Site 85 became even more evident weeks later when the site was overrun by North Vietnamese forces in a dramatic and costly assault. The loss of Lima Site 85 represented the greatest ground combat personnel loss for the U.S. Air Force during the war and underscored the vulnerability of remote installations in hostile territories.
one and the only engine :)
michaelsshaw•4h ago
Why are the US's (or the west at large) war crimes always seen as "cool" and "unconventional" when it is just terrorism. We never celebrate the Viet Cong for defending themselves successfully against the most powerful military in the world, against all the odds, over decades. The Vietnam war was ridiculously unjust.
>Despite inherent risks and equipment limitations, they successfully neutralized a significant threat.
This is what I'm talking about. The invaders are the threat.
I don't think we should celebrate any person that took part in Vietnam, especially not their "genius" and "ingenuity". If they truly were smart, they wouldn't have done what they did.
movedx•4h ago
Just a slight point I think is more making:
> We never celebrate the Viet Cong for defending themselves successfully against the most powerful military in the world, against all the odds, over decades.
"During the Vietnam War, China provided substantial military and economic aid to North Vietnam, playing a crucial role in supporting their war effort against the United States. This aid included troops for infrastructure repair and defense, military equipment, and financial assistance."
But you are correct.
wkat4242•3h ago
Ironically both were allies of the US only just over a decade before Vietnam started
pan69•1h ago
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anonnon•4h ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viet_Cong_and_People%27s_Army_...
michaelsshaw•4h ago
wkat4242•3h ago
Even the Brits were worse, firebombing the hell out of German cities full of civilians. The US did far more dangerous (to themselves) daylight raids so they could actually see what they were targeting. And could target industrial and military facilities.
whatshisface•4h ago
michaelsshaw•3h ago
"By the end of the day, at least a dozen people were dead and more than 2,700 were wounded, many of them maimed ... Some of the dead and wounded were Hezbollah members, but others were not; four of the dead were children."[1]
This is the reality of war crimes. It isn't cool or ingenious. It's unbelievably immoral.
[0] https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-former-mossad-agents-det...
[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/18/world/middleeast/israel-e...
joules77•4h ago
Someone or group with matching energy has to then waste their lives running behind this over energetic army to neutralize the effect. Who is going to do that full time> No one sane.
bberenberg•3h ago
Also, when I was taught about the Vietnam War there was a huge amount of respect paid to the creativity of the North Korean forces in how they ran their military operations. Obviously a 1/n anecdote.
michaelsshaw•3h ago
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sandworm101•3h ago
This soldier did not commit a war crime by shooting down an enemy plane. He was doing exactly what he was asked by his country to do.
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throwaway198846•3h ago
I have read the article carefully and I'm unsure why do you think this incident is terrorism?
ethagknight•3h ago
michaelsshaw•1h ago
ethagknight•3h ago
It was quite messy, including the US actions, and the “facts” can vary wildly based on who tells the story, but it is inaccurate to simply label America as the invader.
michaelsshaw•2h ago