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The Great Illusion: When We Believed BeOS Would Save the World

https://www.desktoponfire.com/haiku_inc/782/the-great-illusion-when-we-believed-beos-would-save-the-world-and-maybe-it-was-right/
26•naves•4h ago

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leakycap•4h ago
I was a Mac fan when it looked like BeOS was going to be the next Mac OS - some Mac magazines even sent bootable BeOS CD-ROMS. I remember booting my Performa to BeOS and being amazed how different the same hardware felt.

After OS X, I worked on a backend team for AT&T. Their entire mobile network at the time - billing, backend, customer service notes... ALL of it was in NeXTStep being streamed from centralized servers out to basic PCs running Citrix.

It was wild to know NeXT had made inroads so many places. I imagine that is why Steve had any sort of relationship with AT&T when he pitched the iPhone and got them to do it. They already saw he could deliver for them on a B&W NeXT-based product used well into the 2000s.

orangecat•3h ago
I remember booting my Performa to BeOS and being amazed how different the same hardware felt.

No kidding. It took until the M1 to make macOS feel anything close to the responsiveness of BeOS on a 150MHz PowerPC.

ksec•3h ago
While M1 - M4 are fast. I still think macOS is relatively slow in terms of responsiveness / latency compared to BeOS even with M series. This probably go back to Early Windows or DOS where everything feels instantaneous.
leakycap•1h ago
I agree & still use a PowerBook running actual OS 9 as my "second brain"

Nothing else is as fast, I don't get slowed down by it

Even cursor movement on modern macOS is slow

loloquwowndueo•1h ago
Windows, instantaneous? Haha. I never used anything older than 3.0 but unless you mean those older versions indeed, nope - it never felt anything even close to “instantaneous”. (Unless you’re talking about how frequently it crashes).
WillAdams•1h ago
The enraging thing is NeXTstep ran acceptably on a 25MHz 68040 (and okay on the 68030 --- the lucky folks had 33MHz "Turbo" '040 boards) --- the performance Rhapsody promised was amazing, but Adobe reneged on a free license of Display PostScript, and Apple spent 10 years recreating that as Quartz (née Display PDF) --- the transparency and drop shadows are nice, but I'd rather have the performance.
ksec•3h ago
>I imagine that is why Steve had any sort of relationship with AT&T when he pitched the iPhone and got them to do it.

Well iPhone was launched with Cingular, which wasn't AT&T at the time.

leakycap•1h ago
Cingular acquired the "old" AT&T Wireless in 2004

New AT&T Wireless bought Cingular later

betamaxthetape•58m ago
> After OS X, I worked on a backend team for AT&T. Their entire mobile network at the time - billing, backend, customer service notes... ALL of it was in NeXTStep being streamed from centralized servers out to basic PCs running Citrix.

Oh, I would absolutely love to know more details about this. I'm fascinated by the history of telecoms. Would you consider writing a blog post about it? (Or if you prefer, my email is in my profile!)

desktopninja•3h ago
I fondly remember running beos5 PE on a computer with a amd k6 processor and ati tv wonder card. I think it was 400Mhz, maybe 600 and 192MB ram. Watched in awe as it purrr'd editing DVs from firewire and the turner. It was a glorious multimedia OS. BeDepot was awesome too! The ports for winamp (BeAmp), zsnes and genecyst/dgens were top notch. the hw support was great too. never had an issue with MS Sidewinder gamepad (gameport and usb versions).
davekeck•2h ago
“Muitithreabring”
LargoLasskhyfv•2h ago
What an interesting site. News and history about Haiku and Beos only! Who would have thought?

But nothing about the recently mentioned https://cosmoe.org ?

Or their former port to run it atop of Linux, like hosted AROS, or plan 9 from userspace?

phlakaton•1h ago
There are many features of BeOS I loved, but for some funny reason the one that just thoroughly won me over from day one was the three-second boot time on my crusty Mac. Might've been a bit of a cheat. You'd never know it. It was just glorious performance for the impatient.

Of course, that version of the OS didn't do a whole lot. By the time R5 rolled around, the boot time had grown quite a bit. It was still damn fast though.

bombcar•1h ago
Back then booting and rebooting was something you did so many times (or at least when you “wanted to use the computer”) - my first experience with Linux was colored by “how fast did it boot”?
II2II•41m ago
I solved that problem by compiling my own kernel. The speedup was dramatic. Of course, that was back in the days when an interested hobbiest could compile a lean kernel without fear of breaking dozens of things.
bombcar•30m ago
That was Gentoo for me - it took forever to build but then the realization that all this autoprobes and other self-configuring things were taking an awful long time.

I remember years of avoiding DHCP because if the client daemon didn’t get a response boot would hang waiting for it to time out …

acdha•49m ago
The one which got me was the time I had music playing, a large C++ build going, and transferring video from a FireWire card with a tiny buffer simultaneously … and everything not only worked but the UI responsiveness didn’t change at all.

For reference, on that same PC I installed Win98 to play Baldur’s Gate. It bluescreened when I plugged in a Microsoft USB mouse. This was a representative experience.

JohnDeHope•1h ago
I think it has the prettiest UI of the era, including Apple’s.
leakycap•1h ago
I love that BeOS/Haiku is still doing its thing, but I don't know what its thing is.

The only "killer app/feature" I know of for Be/Haiku is https://www.tunetrackersystems.com/status.html a radio station automation program, and it's in a weird state where they can't provide hardware that works reliably.

johnea•1h ago
Nice article!

So much great tech has been lost to aggressive business practices of entrenched companies it would have disrupted.

The theme has been repeated... repeatedly: VHS vs Beta being maybe the typically cited archetype of business model vs technical specs.

To me the dominant example in the world today though, is that s/w engineers continue to use windows 8-(

C:? Does anyone ever stop to think about the abstraction of a file system directory hierarchy? The whole point is to remove the specifics of the h/w implementing it, and provide a logical abstraction of nested "directories". Explicitly specifying drive "letters", is the opposite of that. The only reason it ever existed was because the primordial DOS didn't have the horsepower to manage something like a unix mount. But why do we still have it in 2025?

Business triumphs over technology.

One aspect of the article that didn't track my experience was the description of linux in 2015. By that point I had long ago settled onto the fluxbox window manager, because I didn't like the constant churn of "desktop environments". It all just seemed too much like windows.

In 2025 I'm still using it, and it's still exactly the same, which to me is one of it's greatest features. Personally, I don't want the latest brainchild of some UI engineer at Canonical disrupting my workflow.

This veto power of equity over technical possibility is the story of modern tech development. Cory Doctorow cites this 2014 article in his post today:

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-poli...

tl;dr US political policy making is 100% controlled by large financial equity stake holders. The support, for or against, a policy by the overwhelming majority of the population has a 0% effect.

This is also true of corporate decisions. "Innovation" is pursued if and only if it benefits equity, regardless of potential advantages to users, or the progress of the tech itself.

DerekL•58m ago
Beta wasn't better than VHS. It was better at a given tape speed, but the cassettes were smaller, so you'd have to use a lower speed to get the same recording time.
selimnairb•39m ago
Windows NT had the ability do away with drive letters since maybe the beginning; I was certainly running NT 4 and Windows 2000 like this. The problem I think is that every legacy app would instantly break if they couldn’t use drive letters and Microsoft doesn’t care enough to prioritize migrating away from drive letters. This, I believe, is a great example of MS having no taste (as Steve Jobs pointed out).
II2II•33m ago
There were reasons for drive letters. It was common to have floppy-only systems back in the day, so you were switching out floppies for everything from running software to accessing your data. The drive letter was the most meaningful way to identify where you were looking for that data.

Later on, when hard drives were common, people still used things like floppies and optical media. Drive letters were still more meaningful in that context. Drive letters started losing their relevance with USB mass storage (especially when the media was the device), and are minimally relevant today (when external storage is far more likely to be on the network).

The lack of proper abstraction sucks when you have multiple hard drives, but I'm pretty sure that Windows has taken care of that from several angles. Those features simply aren't used often. (And, since I'm not a Windows user, take that bit with a grain of salt.)

diskzero•1h ago
Former Be employee here who ended up at Apple eventually. BeOS was way, way behind NeXTStep in so many ways. We also had fragile base class problems and had a lot of kernel issues. BeFS was cool but Dominic ended up at Apple (and is still there) so I feel Apple got generations of BeFS evolution. Jean Louis wanted an unrealistic price and Apple spent the smartest 400 million dollars that I can think of by buying NeXT. Apple got Steve, Avie, Bertrand and so many others. Many Be people ended up on board after journeys with Eazel and others. Some never made it to Apple due to their Danger/Android/Google paths. This saddens me even to this day.
deadbabe•57m ago
This article is pure ChatGPT. Hits all the same beats and too many frequent uses of headings and text formatting.
ndiddy•53m ago
This is an obvious AI SEO spam site. Kinda interesting how AI has "innovated" here by making it viable to make SEO spam sites about extremely niche topics because generating the slop articles/pictures costs pennies.
jkestner•23m ago
If they’re just targeting HN, they can save those pennies too. You can’t make me RTFA!
egypturnash•51m ago
Is this entire post just an AI summary of a popular HN thread?

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