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The Chan-Zuckerbergs stopped funding social causes

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/06/29/mark-zuckerberg-priscilla-chan-school-closure/
77•1vuio0pswjnm7•3h ago

Comments

ggm•3h ago
The right way to fund national needs is taxation. If the process is depending on charitable funding, the funds should be put into a safe harbour so this kind of "yea... nah" outcome can't happen.
nofriend•3h ago
The reason for the cessation in funding is because of recent political changes. Incidentally those recent political changes also led to a cessation in government charitable donations. I don't think we can claim that either is strictly more reliable than the other. I'm surprised at how readily people will support government intervention while bearing in mind which government would currently be implementing said intervention.
ggm•3h ago
Yea.. I should have qualified my words "in the world as we used to understand it" or something.
JumpCrisscross•2h ago
> reason for the cessation in funding is because of recent political changes

The reason is Zuckerberg and Chan have no backbone. These are individuals who command the resources of small nations. Yet their insecurities win out every time, rendering them powerless to take a stand on anything and instead wander to the beats of others’ drums.

lasc4r•1h ago
Or more plausibly they never cared and it was just PR all along.
soulofmischief•1h ago
Zuckerberg will never outrun his "they 'trust me'. dumb fucks" chat log. He's a terrible person.
BLKNSLVR•57m ago
He doesn't seem to be trying very hard to outrun it either. Facebook is a toxic dump of human unintelligensia and Mark/FB/Meta only ever seem to resist any attempts to disinfect even small pockets.
bee_rider•55m ago
He has hundreds of billions of dollars. I think he could go do whatever he wants.
soulofmischief•30m ago
Sure, but like some other founders he's doing little to morally redeem himself for his sizeable role in the normalization of engineering addiction while simultaneously creating a massive surveillance firm in the name of ad-tech.

Every bit of lip service about connecting people is overshadowed by "they 'trust me'. dumb fucks".

deadbabe•34m ago
Why is that a terrible statement? Aren’t you in fact dumb if you just trust some rando’s website on the interent with all the details of your personal life? It’s not even wrong.
soulofmischief•29m ago
Honesty doesn't absolve ill intent.
mindslight•11m ago
Many of us did stupid anti-social shit when we were young, especially with computers. The mood of that chat felt like plenty of chats I had with friends, grandstanding and boasting. The sad part is that he hasn't grown as he's gotten older.
JumpCrisscross•1h ago
> more plausibly they never cared and it was just PR all along

That’s still capitulation. When it’s fashionable, they’re one way. When it’s not, they’re the other. It’s not savvy, it’s cowardice.

dmix•54m ago
Or they looked at the results and weren't seeing much progress vs their science investments, which also coincided with these billionaire social projects becoming politically unpopular.

For ex, from the article re the school:

> But former leaders of the school who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private information said Chan had grown distant in recent years as the school’s academic performance faltered.

> In 2017, a Harvard study funded by CZI found that by 2015 the growth rate of student achievement in English had significantly improved — but that there had been no significant change for math.

> the school met stumbling blocks. Two principals left in its early years, which three former school leaders said made it difficult to establish stability for students.

NYTimes said the refocusing on science investment vs social happened slowly over 5yrs and they haven't invested in any social ones in a few years. So this change has been in the works for a while...

rayiner•52m ago
Or, Zuck found religion: https://youtu.be/bE7SyQWf4_U?si=RyV1mbdSceXtWr3w

Funding left-wing causes that fit the ideological leanings of Wall Street isn’t “taking a stand.” In 2025, the people “taking a stand” were the ones who had the balls to do things like stand up for color blindness when even hedge funds like KKR were pushing affirmative action. Or opposing mass immigration, which will put you on the wrong side of the WEF/Davos types.

mindslight•9m ago
Blindly following a hollow con artist who makes every indication that his plans will be bad for you, yet you rationalize that it will somehow be good for you. Yup, that certainly sounds like religion!
lasc4r•1h ago
>I don't think we can claim that either is strictly more reliable than the other

In the article it was schools that were defunded. Does the government have a history of consistently funding schools?

make3•12m ago
the difference is that one is from elected officials (however flawed, clearly, there is some measure of representing the people's interest in theory at least), and the other is just an individual's decision
VirusNewbie•2h ago
Is there evidence that this is the right way? Because it seems to be far less efficient than other ways if funding charitable causes directly by a significant margin.
analog31•1h ago
Likewise, is there evidence for this? Maybe our most "effective" altruism is in fact to pay taxes in a liberal democracy after all.

Painting with a very broad brush, the US is the most charitable country in the world, yet we lag behind many other countries according to various measures of human welfare.

ggm•1h ago
US "charity" to the UN became highly qualified as a function of both political distance from the UN goals, and regrettable lapses in probity inside the UN, the kind of problem which crops up anywhere and everywhere. Time and place meant they collided, and the US stopped funding the UN because of <reasons> and instead let the charity sector pick up the burden, which meant right wing christian fundamentalism entered the room. It is little wonder that islamic countries became suspicious of e.g. vaccination drives, made only worse by US polital operatives exploiting the polio vaccination runs to track down Bin Laden.

The US was the most charitable nation in the world but it's not a given.

ggm•1h ago
Charity is essentially voluntary. So, in terms of persistence to need, it's highly variable. Some problems demand commitment which charities cannot commit to.

Charity incurs oversight burdens. The UK has a long story about failures in charity, the charity commissioner has had to intercede many times. It would be wrong to assume there are no oversight costs, the thing is that to the charity they may look like externalities. They have to be borne, the state bears the cost.

Charities also usually cannot intercede politically to fix the situation demanding their charitable work. So, charities are excluded from lobbying in some ways, where governments reflect the will of the people and are subject to both good and band consequences.

Charities are abused. Churches for instance. Why do churches qualify for charitable status, when they (in most economies where they are or have been) are established entities with massive landholdings and wealth?

In the end, it's a matter of philosophy. Without being patronising, I tend to think right wing people who believe in personal responsibility and low taxes favour charity because it gives them discretion, to give or not, as a function of how they feel about the recipient, and left wing people who believe in the state as a construct reflecting popular will believe in state functions to implement the burdens individuals cannot manage for themselves.

I say that because my very good friends who donate highly tend to be right wing and tend to make moralising statements about diabetes being a function of a lack of personal self control and so do not fund interventions to prevent diabetes in the working poor because "they lack self control" and also chose not to fund womens reproductive rights on similar grounds "chastity is its own reward" -Bill and Melinda Gates were exceptional in ignoring the fundamentalist christian lobby which came into the room in the Reagan "just say no" years, and funded contraception and abortion in Africa regardless.

aeternum•1h ago
Charity seems fine but we should definitly get rid of the tax loopholes.

That would take much of the corruption out of it. These donor advised funds now allow someone to maintain full control of their money while the IRS considers it 'donated' it for a major tax write-offs.

britch•1h ago
Is it clear the charity approach is more efficient? My sense is many non-profits prioritize fundraising and have the bloat of executives who's main function is to schmooze donors.

I'm sure there are good nonprofits/charities. And there's definitely inefficient public offices that are mainly interested in politics.

My point is "seems less efficient" is kind of weak ground to be asking others for evidence

downrightmike•1h ago
Their social funding was just creative accounting that moved money so it couldn't be taxed, but still gave them full control and then never did deliver anything.
bickfordb•1h ago
That or reform charitable giving so that it truly is an arm's length transaction. No preferential tax treatment for payments to charities one controls.
jimbob45•34m ago
The article heavily implies that it was a “yeah…nah” thing but does very little investigative work that could corroborate their anonymous witnesses. For all we know, there was a school shooting or a spate of suicides in which case I think everyone here would agree with closing it.

Also I’m not from the area but how are disadvantaged youth coming from Palo Alto at all? Isn’t it one of the highest CoL areas in the nation? Also isn’t it pretty crime-free and well-maintained? How disadvantaged can you be if that’s where you live?

protocolture•30m ago
>The right way to fund national needs is taxation.

What is a "National Need".

JKCalhoun•8m ago
Education is one.
msgodel•13m ago
I think what you meant is the right way to turn people into serious enemies.
asveikau•8m ago
In the 1950s, we taxed income over $400,000 at somewhere around 90%. Anything you made less than that was taxed much less, but every dollar above $400,000 the government took most of it, which effectively put a cap on wages.

Won't be popular on HN, I think we need to move closer to that again. Maybe not that extreme, but that's the proper direction. We can then use that income to tackle big problems.

We also need to tax interest, capital gains, dividends etc. at the same rate as wages.

ggm•3h ago
https://archive.md/ktKEs
DanOpcode•23m ago
Thanks, the original submission had a weird popup that I couldn't close.
duxup•3h ago
>It didn’t have the special education system or disciplinary rules that are required of charter schools, the former administrator said. But students wore recording devices dubbed “speech pedometers” so that software could analyze the speech patterns of children and the adults around them. The technology was designed by a nonprofit to encourage staffers to talk more with students in ways that studies suggest encourage brain and language development.

>“It was beyond naivete,” the former administrator said. “It was hubris.”

What the heck?

Education is hard, and it's surprising how much "gee whizz" type tech / ideas are out there that supposedly fix things like a magic wand. And in the meantime, no disciplinary rules?

dmix•48m ago
Maybe I'm getting old but I don't remember education being seriously broken when I was growing up. It seems to have become a playground of random new ideas that administrators in offices dream up every year. I've heard some crazy stories from family who works in education where this sort of thing wouldn't stand out.
duxup•27m ago
It’s not clear to me what anyone means by broken. Difficult maybe.
crawfordcomeaux•15m ago
Cracks show up when viewed from a lens of "wait...was that domination-oriented, dualistic, whitewashed, imperialistic, nationalistic, colonial indoctrination in the form of education?".
maxglute•2h ago
TIL Pricilla's was a pediatrician.

At least have the gilded age decadency deceny to build some muesums.

benatkin•1h ago
Museums are getting the same fate as libraries - e14n. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36998643
dfxm12•1h ago
It was part "decadence", part practical. The tax code in the past was gamified to promote philanthropy (or at least erect buildings with your name on them), rather than simply not paying.
max_•2h ago
"The East Palo Alto project was the billionaire couple’s second major intervention in a city’s education system, after a controversial 2011 gift of $100 million to the Newark public schools. Some experts and community members claimed that the money was largely squandered"
Jedd•1h ago
A reminder that "No Such Thing As a Free Gift: The Gates Foundation and the Price of Philanthropy" by Linsey McGoey (2015), is an excellent analysis of philanthrocapitalism.

(Spoiler - this book does not provide a ringing endorsement of dubiously acquired wealth being dubiously applied through a commercial / for-profit prism.)

itsthecourier•1h ago
when I was making some money finally I could afford to pay for my siblings college.

I told them since the beginning: I'm doing my best, I cannot be sure to be able to pay it until the end. do your best and figure out how to help of I need you.

fortunately I was able to pay all of them until the end. but the lesson is: thank the supporters, hope for the best but understand the uncertainty

MilnerRoute•53m ago
I was just reading the Washington Post, and I saw the full-length headline.

"The Chan-Zuckerbergs stopped funding social causes. 400 kids lost their school."

"Priscilla Chan and Mark Zuckerberg’s retreat from funding social issues forced the closure of a school Chan opened for disadvantaged families in Silicon Valley."

ars•47m ago
"said Chan had grown distant in recent years as the school’s academic performance faltered"

If Chan's experiment isn't working, why would we expect her to keep funding it?

The part at the end about it taking 20 years or whatever makes no sense, a child is not in school for 20 years.

asveikau•12m ago
As a parent, I can't imagine the chaos that ensues when your kid's school ceases to exist overnight. Keeping that school running is less than pocket change to them. I feel like their action is morally quite shameful.
brunocvcunha•6m ago
Did you read the post?

> CZI has promised a parting gift totaling $50 million to the community. Parents were told students will receive $1,000 to $10,000 for their future education based on age, and the school district received $26.5 million in grant funds last month. The district declined to comment for this article.

And after the end of the 2025-2026 school year is far from overnight.

asveikau•5m ago
Are you a parent?

It's still a very bad situation to abruptly need to find a new school, even if you get a pathetic $1000 coupon for a school which costs much more than that.

apical_dendrite•8m ago
Chan & Zuckerberg acted much more responsibly here than Elon and Trump:

> CZI has promised a parting gift totaling $50 million to the community. Parents were told students will receive $1,000 to $10,000 for their future education based on age, and the school district received $26.5 million in grant funds last month. The district declined to comment for this article.

They understood that they were breaking commitments that they had made to parents, and that they were putting an unexpected burden on a local school district, and they tried to address that.

By contrast, Elon and Trump abruptly broke commitments that the US made all over the world. Stopping clinical trials midway, leaving food and medicine sitting to rot in warehouses, etc.

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