Smaller vehicles are safer for others and more gas-efficient. Empathy and efficiency are not sexy, they show weakness and femininity.
A nice, big vehicle sends a strong signal that you can afford a newer car than others and that you aren't hung up on feelings or politics or penny pinching. Big trucks are fun and cool. Danger is cool. Being bigger than others is cool.
smitty1e•7mo ago
I went up to a VW Atlas from a Golf not because I really wanted a less-fuel-efficient, harder to park vehicle; not because my cock-and-balls needed the affirmation; rather, the family is growing and there was a need to move more people and gear around than the humble Golf could support.
stfp•7mo ago
A few years ago the solution to that would have been a van, which apparently are more practical and roomy than suvs. But they are not cool, so people don’t buy them anymore. (Not saying I know why you specifically made this particular decision, talking about the general trend)
zippyman55•7mo ago
My wife and I make vans cool! A great deal on the road.
korkoros•7mo ago
What are the masculine-coded virtues?
Strength. A man's vehicle should both demonstrate and develop his physical prowess.
Protection. A man's vehicle should make others safer, even if it puts himself at greater risk.
Providing. A man should buy the cheapest vehicle that serves his needs, the better to provide for his family.
A cargo bike is the manliest vehicle you can use.
orwin•7mo ago
No joke, my SO and her friends recently discussed how hot dads with kids in their cargo bike were.
For totally unrelated reason, I'm looking for a cargo bike, if you know someone... (jk)
Bender•7mo ago
I would agree with this sentiment in cities however big trucks are absolutely required for getting work done. A small vehicle can not move 30,000 pounds of cargo from place to place which is absolutely required in rural areas. The same people here that have heavy duty vehicles also have fuel efficient vehicles for leisure use or shopping because they are not dumb. The same ranchers that used to joke about people driving a Prius now own one but they still require their big trucks for earning a living and feeding the nation or dealing with excessive snow and ice as we have 7 months of winter.
On the original topic I agree with them that visibility has devolved and something needs to be done to fix this. I believe solutions can be engineered to solve this problem and it probably comes down to cost and profits as to why this has not already occurred.
danaris•7mo ago
I have lived in rural areas for over 40 years.
I have never once needed to move 30,000 pounds of cargo.
I have never once needed a pickup truck.
The only times I have needed to move large, bulky things, a cargo van was a much, much more effective tool for the job, so I rented one. (Or borrowed, in one case.)
I have driven through several inches of snow in a Toyota Corolla. (It wasn't fun, but I did it. These days I have an AWD Subaru Outback.)
This idea that Real Men in rural areas have an unquestionable need for the biggest pickup truck imaginable, and nothing else could possibly do the same job, is just more toxic masculinity bullshit.
Most people who live in rural areas are not ranchers, farmers, construction workers, or otherwise Big Strong Men Who Have To Work With Their Hands And Tow Massive Loads All The Time. Such people exist, sure. But there's only a very small handful of them compared to the total rural population.
Bender•7mo ago
I have never once
That's cool. I see these things every day, all day. Cattle, horses, hay, farm equipment, construction equipment.
is just more toxic masculinity bullshit
Some of that does exist but it does not exist at any of the local farms and ranches as the young men here can not afford to show off like that and have to get actual work done. Most of their families would shun them or beat them for acting that way. I believe you are describing city cowboys. They are easy to spot. Immaculate clothing, big shiny belt buckle but never did a day of real work in their lives, living off mommy and daddy's money. Super soft hands, lol. Those don't last long here.
danaris•7mo ago
> I see these things every day, all day.
Good for you? But that's not what you said. You said that having a pickup truck, and moving 30k pounds, was "absolutely required" in rural areas.
> at any of the local farms and ranches
Again: Most people living in rural areas are not ranchers or farmers. The people who have unnecessarily big pickups around here range from exactly the type of "city cowboy" you describe (though, again, this is very much a rural area; the nearest Starbucks is about 45 minutes' drive away) to home-grown redneck hicks with rusty lifted pickups that I have never observed to carry anything that wouldn't easily fit in the back of my Outback.
And, of course, there are a fair number of people with pickups that get good use. I'm not in any way trying to deny that there are good uses for pickups.
All I'm saying is that your claim that they are absolutely required for rural living is bullshit.
jauntywundrkind•7mo ago
In a rural zone now, and there are big huge hulking pickups everywhere. It's half the vehicles.
Maybe they're all lugging a bed full of steel ingots that I can't see (but the suspension certainly doesn't look that way)? But it sure seems like <1% are being used for more than transporting 1 or maybe 2 people.
Ideally, renting a truck would be commonly done and not super expensive. It would be so great to to have a utility model for enabling occasional good heavy work to happen.
cam_l•7mo ago
Most common of these 'trucks' have a max payload of around 700-900kg, and a towing capacity of 3500-4500kg (but not at the same time). And by that I mean 'trucks' like the F150, referenced in the article.
If you are buying these things you are just not interested in payload. Even the smaller ones like the rangers and hiluxes have a higher payload, and higher combined carrying capacity than these. It is not until you get into the range of the F350s that you get into the 13t total that you mentioned.. which is absolutely not what the article is about.
Even then, if they were serious about carrying capacity, the ranchers would probably be driving isuzu light trucks rather than F350s. Incidentally, they have much better visibility too.
johnea•7mo ago
Not to mention the rear facing blind zones.
The backup camera is a very poor substitute for actually being able to see out the back of the car, which in even small cars is so much more difficult than it used to be...
gryfft•7mo ago
A nice, big vehicle sends a strong signal that you can afford a newer car than others and that you aren't hung up on feelings or politics or penny pinching. Big trucks are fun and cool. Danger is cool. Being bigger than others is cool.
smitty1e•7mo ago
stfp•7mo ago
zippyman55•7mo ago
korkoros•7mo ago
Strength. A man's vehicle should both demonstrate and develop his physical prowess.
Protection. A man's vehicle should make others safer, even if it puts himself at greater risk.
Providing. A man should buy the cheapest vehicle that serves his needs, the better to provide for his family.
A cargo bike is the manliest vehicle you can use.
orwin•7mo ago
For totally unrelated reason, I'm looking for a cargo bike, if you know someone... (jk)
Bender•7mo ago
On the original topic I agree with them that visibility has devolved and something needs to be done to fix this. I believe solutions can be engineered to solve this problem and it probably comes down to cost and profits as to why this has not already occurred.
danaris•7mo ago
I have never once needed to move 30,000 pounds of cargo.
I have never once needed a pickup truck.
The only times I have needed to move large, bulky things, a cargo van was a much, much more effective tool for the job, so I rented one. (Or borrowed, in one case.)
I have driven through several inches of snow in a Toyota Corolla. (It wasn't fun, but I did it. These days I have an AWD Subaru Outback.)
This idea that Real Men in rural areas have an unquestionable need for the biggest pickup truck imaginable, and nothing else could possibly do the same job, is just more toxic masculinity bullshit.
Most people who live in rural areas are not ranchers, farmers, construction workers, or otherwise Big Strong Men Who Have To Work With Their Hands And Tow Massive Loads All The Time. Such people exist, sure. But there's only a very small handful of them compared to the total rural population.
Bender•7mo ago
That's cool. I see these things every day, all day. Cattle, horses, hay, farm equipment, construction equipment.
is just more toxic masculinity bullshit
Some of that does exist but it does not exist at any of the local farms and ranches as the young men here can not afford to show off like that and have to get actual work done. Most of their families would shun them or beat them for acting that way. I believe you are describing city cowboys. They are easy to spot. Immaculate clothing, big shiny belt buckle but never did a day of real work in their lives, living off mommy and daddy's money. Super soft hands, lol. Those don't last long here.
danaris•7mo ago
Good for you? But that's not what you said. You said that having a pickup truck, and moving 30k pounds, was "absolutely required" in rural areas.
> at any of the local farms and ranches
Again: Most people living in rural areas are not ranchers or farmers. The people who have unnecessarily big pickups around here range from exactly the type of "city cowboy" you describe (though, again, this is very much a rural area; the nearest Starbucks is about 45 minutes' drive away) to home-grown redneck hicks with rusty lifted pickups that I have never observed to carry anything that wouldn't easily fit in the back of my Outback.
And, of course, there are a fair number of people with pickups that get good use. I'm not in any way trying to deny that there are good uses for pickups.
All I'm saying is that your claim that they are absolutely required for rural living is bullshit.
jauntywundrkind•7mo ago
Maybe they're all lugging a bed full of steel ingots that I can't see (but the suspension certainly doesn't look that way)? But it sure seems like <1% are being used for more than transporting 1 or maybe 2 people.
Ideally, renting a truck would be commonly done and not super expensive. It would be so great to to have a utility model for enabling occasional good heavy work to happen.
cam_l•7mo ago
If you are buying these things you are just not interested in payload. Even the smaller ones like the rangers and hiluxes have a higher payload, and higher combined carrying capacity than these. It is not until you get into the range of the F350s that you get into the 13t total that you mentioned.. which is absolutely not what the article is about.
Even then, if they were serious about carrying capacity, the ranchers would probably be driving isuzu light trucks rather than F350s. Incidentally, they have much better visibility too.