Take bitumen. It hos already gotten progressively more expensive over the last few decades. It makes sense: car fuel economy has gotten better. So for every mile we drive we need to refine less fuel, which means we get less bitumen as a byproduct. So the amount of bitumen available per vehicle-mile is progressively less over time.
This effect will become exponentially worse as EVs cause fuel consumption to fall off a cliff.
It’s not just gonna be bitumen. The effect may be less pronounced for the lighter fractions, but in general we will have to do more processing, and the oil industry will lose a lot of its “economies of scale”. Fuels are a huge share of the output of oil distillation.
But even if it was, isn't that just the magic of fractional distillation? You can stop cracking anywhere on the spectrum between asphalt sludge and gasoline so if the demand for gasoline dropped off, you would still be able to produce other products.
jqpabc123•7mo ago
EVs and renewable energy are unstoppable and will win simply because they are a less expensive alternative.
Until americans and american industry embrace this simple fact, we will be operating with an economic handicap and competitive disadvantage against the rest of the world and particularly the Chinese.
Government support and mandates for fossil fuel is a regressive step away from free trade and toward technical inferiority and decline --- not "greatness".
Frieren•7mo ago
E.g. A big oil corporation gets the profits of selling oil but the environmental price is paid by everybody else. Accounting the increase in climate disasters, oil becomes way more expensive that it is currently reflected in its price.
So, when someone argues that "taking into account the environment is too expensive" they are really arguing that "I should not pay for the environment damage but society at large should be paying while I collect profits".
pjmlp•7mo ago
Hence why most people keep buying ICE, gas, or eventually hybrids.
giingyui•7mo ago
jqpabc123•7mo ago
https://businessintexas.com/blog/texas-leads-us-renewable-en...
And here is the leading proponent of propaganda.
https://checkyourfact.com/2019/04/09/fact-check-trump-wind-t...
burnt-resistor•7mo ago
easyThrowaway•7mo ago
I know I can't prove it, but I strongly believe that much of the "Big Oil" dominance is due to political pressure to bend the market forces rather than any kind of real economic advantages compared to renewable energy sources.
vagrantJin•7mo ago
jqpabc123•7mo ago
Paying more for energy negatively impacts everyone and every industry.
hearsathought•7mo ago
And yet you still snuck in "the chinese" in the your comment.
jqpabc123•7mo ago
hearsathought•7mo ago
If you hadn't disingenuously replied to that comment by asking us to reread your comment, we wouldn't be having this conversation.