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Ask HN: How do free (illegitimate) streaming apps cover running costs?

3•BuildTheRobots•6mo ago
I've recently been exposed to some of the technical and financial minutia involved in hosting a legal video on demand and live streaming service, and it's left me wondering how some of these illegitimate free apps work.

Playing with friends TV boxes, they seem to have installed multiple apps which offer live-streamed worldwide TV (including commercial and premium channels, not just free to air). They also have apps that give access to seemingly massive video on demand libraries, streaming a wide range of TV and films. Most content seems to have multiple sources available as well.

It seems to be free to install the apps, free to use and I can't see any advertising. How are they making money?

If they're not making money, how the heck do they afford to host the service?

I can see it being relatively easy to make & host an Android app that lets you pick from a database of streams/playlists, but someone, somewhere has to be hosting the media content. The live-streaming alone would (I assume) require a vast amount of tuners or capture cards to get the content, an amount of processing to re-encode it all, some level of CDN or proxies to support large numbers of simultaneous viewers and a large amount of bandwidth as well. The video on demand doesn't have the capture problem, but it swaps it for massive storage requirements.

The ongoing costs must be massive. Even self-hosted, you're burning large amounts of electric and bandwidth, and no doubt ongoing engineering time.

I'm very naive, but I don't understand the motivation or the finances that cause these apps to exist in the first place. I (and others on HN) have certainly been guilty of building silly things and keeping them running only for the heck of it, but the ongoing costs make me think it must be something bigger than a few people doing it "for the lols".

Can someone please tell me what I'm missing?

Comments

cranberryturkey•6mo ago
the free ones i've seen are plastard with ads.
BuildTheRobots•6mo ago
To be fair, I've not actually played much with the VoD ones other than flick through the libraries and see if a couple of streams play. There's every chance they do break playback to throw adverts at you, I honestly don't know.

The live-tv streaming apps I've seen didn't seem to break for adverts, but I could be wrong. I don't have a box at home to play with or test so it's all passive observation.

Even so, does advertising revenue actually work out profitable after running costs?

cranberryturkey•6mo ago
from my experience usually the videos play fine after you get around the plethora of ads that are covering the play button etc.
BuildTheRobots•6mo ago
After speaking to one of my friends with a box, he insists there aren't adverts...

Seriously though, this is a somewhat large CDN - how the heck is it financed?

cavisne•6mo ago
A lot of these apps are peer to peer so they aren’t paying for storage or bandwidth.