Then he came for the immigrants.
Then he came for the browns.
Then he came for the political opponents.
When he eventually comes for you, will there be someone to help you?
In a republic, it might be possible to take away citizenship from naturalized citizens, but even that should require judicial action, not executive action.
Impeachability of PotUS reflects the will+desire of US House (to impeach). The offenses committed by the PotUS is secondary to that.
While the above doesn't follow the stipulations laid out in the Constitution, it is our unfortunate reality.
[Edit] I should have clarified that the federal government can revoke the citizenship of anyone that expatriates themselves which is further why I believe this is trolling and attention whoring. Rosie is about to be an Irish citizen. But who knows, maybe since we are giving him attention he will just do it. Rosie will be fine either way. Having worked with many of them I can say there are many good people in Ireland. It certainly does not help that she has been publicly poking the bear. Unless she specifically states she wishes to keep her US citizenship then she is just playing into his drama.
The expatriating act must be voluntary and take any of seven forms.
Committing any of the following acts will create a presumption that it was performed voluntarily with the idea of giving up U.S. citizenship, although the person might later be able to rebut (disprove) this presumption:
- Becoming a naturalized citizen of another country after age 18. <<-- This one.
- Formally declaring allegiance to a foreign government after age 18.
- Accepting a position in the government of another country after age 18, if one has citizenship in, or declared allegiance to, that country.
- Joining the military force of another country either (1) in any capacity if that country is engaged in hostilities against the U.S., or (2) as an officer.
- Formally renouncing U.S. nationality abroad before a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer.
- Formally renouncing U.S. nationality in the U.S. when the U.S. is at war, if done in writing and with the approval of the U.S. Department of Justice.
- Being convicted of treason or participating in any attempt to overthrow the U.S. government.
The first five acts become effective as an act of expatriation only after the person who commits them has left the United States. The procedures for the sixth act (renunciation in the U.S.) have not yet been defined.
[1] - https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/when-us-citizens-can...
Rosie was born in the US and is not voluntarily giving up her citizenship. I want to believe you're discussing in good faith, but nothing you posted is relevant to this discussion if it is the president threatening to strip a US citizen's rights from someone who isn't voluntarily giving them up.
There is no defending or explaining away what Trump is doing; it is awful, should be called out as awful, and it is unAmerican to the core. This isn't "trolling" this is creeping facism and should be called out as such.
Committing any of the following acts will create a presumption that it was performed voluntarily with the idea of giving up U.S. citizenship, although the person might later be able to rebut (disprove) this presumption:
So he may presume that she is no longer in need of a US citizenship. Has she publicly stated otherwise or is she just playing the back-and-forth drama game he started? If you know Trump and Rosie then you have to admit they both love drama. She could easily state, "I have no desire to rescind my US citizenship. I wish to keep my US citizenship." and then just ignore him until legal action is required.
Rosie has not become a naturalized citizen of Ireland, she has expressed interest but (unless you have evidence otherwise) her only citizenship is US.
As you said, she would voluntarily have to give up her citizenship. It is not within the US governments's power to remove the constitutional rights of citizens, only to preserve their natural right as laid out within our Constitution.
When you say things like, "he may presume that she is no longer in need of a US citizenship" it feels completely disingenuous since clearly this isn't some basic bureaucratic matter, he is directly threatening a US citizen with unconstitutional actions simply to silence criticism which is not what we do in this country and it should chill every American to their core to see such things happening.
The US Presidency isn't a reality TV show and politics isn't entertainment. We're witnessing abhorrent behavior from a sitting president and the threat alone is an abuse of executive power meant to suppress free speech and criticism. You might find it funny or trolling, but I expect more from our leaders in this country.
For me, I cannot get past the 2020 election and the whole "alternate electors" thing. That has been done before, IIRC in 1960 for Hawaii. For a while it wasn't clear who won, and so there was an alternate slate of electors for a while. By the time the Electoral College voted, though, it was clear, and only one slate of electors was put forward.
In contrast, in 2020, Trump put forward the alternate electors, and pressured Pence to accept them as the real ones. He pressured Pence more than once. When part of the crowd on January 6 was shouting "hang Mike Pence", that's why. That was a deliberate, determined attempt to steal an election that he lost.
That colors my view of events like this. Trolling? Could be. But he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt from me on whether he's willing to try to do illegal things.
The president responds by waving a photo shopped picture as "proof".
And you keep giving him the benefit of the doubt as if he's just trolling...
Why is it so hard to call a spade a spade?
JohnFen•5h ago
toomuchtodo•5h ago
She’s far safer in Ireland than on US soil for the remainder of this administration, and can challenge any unconstitutional infringements on her citizenship from afar.
krapp•4h ago
Rosie O'Donnell is a leftist and gay, so millions of Americans would have no qualms at all about putting her in a camp or shipping her off somewhere, regardless of her citizenship. But I suspect the Overton Window hasn't shifted far enough yet that her whiteness wouldn't make it political suicide even for Trump. Let the discourse about birthright citizenship percolate, though (although the courts are currently pushing against Trump in this regard,) and that might change.
willmarch•3h ago
bediger4000•49m ago
krapp•42m ago
But it really doesn't matter what this specific president says, because he's a senile, lying, prevaricating, shit-stirring lunatic. People will dismiss what he's doing as trolling or whatever (because in this case it's so out of pocket that one doesn't even have the fig leaf of "illegal immigration" to justify it) but if he actually tries it then the people will justify it somehow. But either way, Trump's words are meaningless, only his actions matter.
AnimalMuppet•5h ago
Either Trump doesn't know that such a move is beyond his legal power, or he knows but intends to do it anyway, or he doesn't intend to do it at all and this is just his latest over-the-top way of expressing disapproval. The last one is, I suppose, the least alarming, but I still find it alarming that someone who thinks such bullying tactics are acceptable is the president.
WarOnPrivacy•4h ago
Likeliest: He chooses to not believe what is clearly outside his authority.
Bolstering that are/is: