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The hunt for a perfect laptop continues

https://pointieststick.com/2025/07/13/the-hunt-for-a-perfect-laptop-continues/
18•Bogdanp•6h ago

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theandrewbailey•5h ago
I work at an e-waste recycling company and I definitely agree that some manufacturers have way too many product lines and models. I'm not sure what the difference between an HP EliteBook and a ProBook is. At least with a ThinkPad or Dell Latitude, you know you're getting a half-decent laptop, but I'm not sure what the difference in the model numbers mean. (I remember a co-worker telling me he found a ThinkPad T-15. It could be a J-9,000,000,000 for all I know: it doesn't mean anything to me.)

Then there's the cheap laptops with what I call a "Shenzhen Special": a 1366x768 TN screen. Those should never have been a thing. Even cheap phones 10 years ago did not have screens that bad, but laptops 5 years ago do.

throwawayffffas•5h ago
> Then there's the cheap laptops with what I call a "Shenzhen Special": a 1366x768 TN screen. Those should never have been a thing.

I disagree, sometimes all you need is some sort of screen, a keyboard, a wireless interface, and the cheapest x86 processor invented by man.

A whole laptop for less than 400 USD is a great thing for the other half.

prmoustache•2h ago
I just buy second hand thinkpad for half of that if I want a good enough one.

Recently bought a Thinkpad x390 for my significant other for 170€ with a brand new battery. Works well enough, is small, light and quiet, has a decent keyboard and fullhd screen. Very little battery drain when suspended. Brand new laptops at twice that price offer a much crappier experience.

throwawayffffas•1h ago
I worry about gpu driver support and the like. I have a 2014 Macbook pro that I run linux on, and it's generally great, if you ignore some minor thermal issues. But x265 decoding happens only on the cpu and the gpu support in wayland is lackluster.

It think a modern under 400 laptop would not have all of the above issues.

znpy•1h ago
> A whole laptop for less than 400 USD is a great thing for the other half.

I paid my "new" ThinkPad X13 Gen1 400 Euros + 29 euros for shipping, less than a month ago, from eBay. It comes with a 8c/16t ryzen cpu, a full-hd touch display and 32GB ram.

Even if it was 500 euros, it's an incredibly better value than a "Shenzhen Special" piece of trash.

Please stop promoting e-waste.

cranberryturkey•5h ago
I bought one of those $350 Chinese laptops to test on windows.
throwawayffffas•4h ago
My version of the basics is slightly different but very close.

1. A 1080p screen with a reasonably good backlight. 100% scaling is just fine thank you.

2. Totally agree with the keyboard, if you can fit a numpad on that thing even better.

3. A functional touchpad. Precision and lag measurements certainly dont matter to me. I mostly won't be using it anyway.

4. Gigabit Ethernet, at least 2 usb-A ports, at least one hdmi or displayport port.

5. 3.5mm jack.

6. Reasonably modern cpu, it doen't have to be super fast.

7. Discrete GPU is a nice bonus

8. User replacable RAM, User replacable nvme drive.

stonecharioteer•3h ago
I touchtype and having a numberpad is a major annoyance. I hate that bigger laptops usually have a numpad. The TouchPad goes off centre because of this.
throwawayffffas•3h ago
I don't remember having a problem with the numpad. (My current laptops do not have one.)

I do remember having issues with accidentally touching the touchpad.

Now days I almost always have a keyboard with me.

fuzzfactor•16m ago
Not everybody remembers that the numberpad is intended for touch-typing use by the left hand, if you are a right-handed business accountant for instance.

This was to allow for a nearly-universal established workflow where the right hand would shuffle the papers or maintain a pointer at a ledger as the data was entered to a mechanical adding machine, without taking the eyes off of what the right hand was doing. The #5 key with the tactile marker is the home position for the middle finger.

The adding machine sitting to the left of the desktop (sometimes on a cart) didn't need to be observed at all, it printed each entry on the roll of paper as you went along, subtractions or negative numbers optionally in red ink. Which could be audited later if necessary if there were any questions about correct data entry. Printing calculators having a financial mode have mimicked this like forever too.

Nobody would have ever expected IBM to be able to sell a calculating machine of any type without maintaining at least this particular backward-compatibility feature.

So it could be seen as more easily integrated by those businesses adopting their first computer of any kind.

JonChesterfield•1h ago
Discrete GPU is a liability. Makes the thing hotter, bigger, hurts battery life and stands a decent chance of being the thing that kills the machine when the solder joint breaks down. I won't buy a laptop with one in. Different people have different ideas of perfect (e.g. I don't want a touch screen - not interested in fingerprints on the screen or the hit to battery - but the OP requires it).
alwahi•3h ago
ROG Zephyrus G14 2025 with the 5070Ti, comes as close to it as is possible imo. If you want more battery life and/or don't want to game then you can literally run it on the 890M and disable the Nvidia GPU, as easy as never installing the driver for it in the first place (I am imagining you as using Linux)....

MacBook Air M4 is sufficient for almost everything (except maybe gaming), but that depends on how much you want to get caught up in Apple's ecosystem.

aetherspawn•3h ago
I stopped hunting and just started buying MacBooks and I’ve been pretty happy for the last 10-odd years and generally regretful of any other laptop purchase I made in the meantime.

Lenovo did themselves a disservice by discontinuing the W15 which I thought was worth a solid shot until they started putting spyware in everything.

prmoustache•2h ago
Problem from a linux user or developer perspective is they come with a subpar OS.
seanmcdirmid•1h ago
Developers love MacBooks. I think it’s 90% of the programmer work laptops out there.
prmoustache•58m ago
"linux developer"

The author of linked post is a KDE dev.

philodeon•47m ago
You can put Asahi Linux on them.
TrackerFF•2h ago
I despise the trend where every big box store get their own model number on the stuff they sell, so it seems like Lenovo / HP / etc. are selling 1000 different laptops. When in reality they are mostly the same, with some small tweaks and differences, depending on where you buy them.
z3ugma•2h ago
OP says they came close to buying a StarLabs product, I wonder why not yet?

I've been hovering over the "buy" button on a StarBook as I get increasingly frustrated with the MacOS experience.

My chief worries are battery life and speaker quality..if you have a StarBook are you happy and can you speak to those?

MarkusWandel•2h ago
The HDMI port is no biggie any more. Both laptops I have that are new enough to have a USB-C port put out video through it with a cheap (not Displaylink) mini docking station. Even the one not marked appropriately at the port (a HP 840 G6). The other is a recent-ish Acer Swift 3. Both are running Linux.
prmoustache•2h ago
I am not as picky as the author but I also find it crazy the amount of laptop models for a given brand. Same for smartphones. I don't understand how having so many SKUs at similar price points can be profitable.
datadrivenangel•1h ago
Different model numbers allow discount segmentation by distribution channel so that price matching can be defeated. Also it makes it easier to slip out of issues by updating sku numbers.
SomeHacker44•1h ago
I just got an HP Zbook Ultra G1a with 128G. I added a 4T 990 Pro SSD and loaded HP OEM Ubuntu 24.04, then kubuntu-desktop. I added AMDGPU software for OpenCL. Except for no dGPU, it seems like a near perfect laptop. Great OLED touch screen, decent keyboard, 4 USB ports plus HDMI.

I had to remap the home/end/ins keys which were oddly placed. It has that useless and totally annoying CoPilot key that cannot be remapped either since touching it sends multiple keystrokes both down and up.

porridgeraisin•1h ago
What non-mac laptops would HN recommend these days? I usually look for laptops without a dedicated GPU, mostly because it adds to weight/battery consumption and I have a desktop anyways. Build quality, display quality, battery size and linux support are usually what I look out for.
z3ugma•34m ago
I am after this too. I have had my eye on StarBook but I am waiting to hear recommendations from others. HP EliteBook with Linux on it also comes recommended to me by my sysadmin BIL.
giingyui•25m ago
I spent two months recently trying to find a thinkpad worth buying. Failed for two reasons:

- Too damn many SKUs, and despite that, the combination you want (say, screen type, CPU and weight) doesn’t exist OR is not available for months.

- Despite how dramatic the advancements in CPUs both from intel and AMD have been recently, all machines come with really old CPUs, sometimes two years old, and at full price. If a new CPU is released, you will be waiting at least one year to get it… if it is available in the combination that you desire (cf. my previous point)

So… I ended up getting a MacBook. Yes, slightly more expensive, but despite that, you don’t feel ripped off.

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