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Protecting My Attention at the Dopamine Carnival

https://www.amirsharif.com/protecting-my-attention-at-the-dopamine-carnival
76•overload119•3h ago

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jimbob45•2h ago
I can’t abide by that last claim. AI has been able to fetch some dead Microsoft documentation for me that I was not able to otherwise find through the regular channels. The code would have had to have looked very differently if not for AI.
robotic•1h ago
Mixed bag for me. I spent a day running in circles working on a github action based on lots of very bad info from chatGPT. I also just reviewed a PR that allowed for remote function execution. The dev that wrote the code has been very open about their use of AI. He thought it was good because he wasnt thinking.
hattmall•1h ago
Internet archive is pretty good for old documentation. It's very interesting what API features that are removed from new versions and all documentation scrubbed but actually still work.
munchler•1h ago
I agree. AI doesn't make me a faster coder, but it helps me do things that I wouldn't have been able to do at all otherwise.
bcoates•2h ago
The idea of app timers seems like exactly the weird self-negotiation alcoholics do around booze where they think mimicking the habits of casual drinkers (on what is, to the casual, a bender) will make them not an alcoholic anymore.

Yes, normies might have three margaritas on a Tuesday. Like, once a quarter. Not every single day, and also not followed by a whole lot more once you’re loosened up.

Likewise, the reaction of a mentally stable person to TikTok is like the reaction of a normal person to a casino full of slot machines--discomfort and more than a little disgust. If you start wagging your tail to that shit, there is no safe level and you need to delete it all yesterday, app timers and clever little boxes are making you worse.

pipsterwo•2h ago
I find them really useful, I find youtube to be a good thing in moderation. But its very helpful to have a timer forcing me to thoughtfully use the time I've allocated.
GLdRH•1h ago
The "UnTrap"-Add-On for Firefox can block the more detrimental aspects of youtube, like shorts or the recommendation of other videos. I have it configured so that it always brings me directly to the "watch later"-playlist and I never go to the main page.
Esophagus4•57m ago
FreeTube is also phenomenal for de-enshittifying (dis-enshittifying?) the YouTube experience
mingus88•2h ago
I get what you are saying but it’s 2025 and a mobile device is basically required to operate in society today. Especially if you want an active social life or to excel at work.

Nobody needs a margarita or any other addictive substance to function in society (barring actual substances issues). So it’s a false equivalence to compare apps like this.

An example in my middle aged life is that my kids extra-curriculars are all organized on WhatsApp. If I choose not to have a Meta account then my kids suffer when I am out of the loop on their events. Then of course all of the invites and venues are on Facebook. And all the parents post their pics to IG.

Because these apps are purposely designed to addict you, it is a real sticky thing to have to dip your toes in without getting sucked into a scrolling nightmare.

hattmall•1h ago
Well he didn't say the phone, but the app. So instead of using app timers just delete the app. The point is that you find yourself having a problem with the app and regret it's usage later then an app timer is the same as an alcoholic having one drink, now if you are judicious with the app timer and really do it ok. Same for an alcoholic, if you can actually have one drink, then it's fine.

Some apps are addictive but have some reasonable informational value. Some are just straight key bumps of entertainment with an algorithmic comedown to keep you looking for the next baggie.

I have the same situation you do about Facebook, but still don't have the app on my phone. I just check the mobile site and I was forced to install messenger. I have no need or desire to install things like TikTok or Instagram, of the hundreds of times people have sent me links to things on those apps I've never come away with the feeling that it was a value add.

GLdRH•1h ago
It's a good idea to just uninstall some of these apps or even accounts and see if you really miss them. I found that not to be the case with Twitter and Facebook.
squigz•2h ago
"Normal" people don't react that way to casinos.
lmm•1h ago
Have you walked past one recently? Casinos used to have at least some veneer of sophistication - polished wood, baize, well-dressed croupiers - even if it was ultimately pretty thin. Now the whole room looks like a giant kiddie noisemaker toy.
Terr_•37m ago
Aside from general infantilization, another theory: The old status-signalling has moved on to something else, and past generations' signals of upper-class (or at least classier) gambling are now obsolete, so nobody bothers projecting them.
candiddevmike•2h ago
I wish Chrome had timers for specific websites on mobile. I hate the all-or-nothing Chrome timer, it's ridiculous and so counter intuitive.
parpfish•1h ago
I’d also like more control over chrome autocomplete.

Most of the time that I get sucked into a website, it’s because autocomplete and muscle memory got me there without thinking. Every once in a while I’ll clean out my history cache and for a week or so I’ll find myself on the page of google search results for “re” or “fa”

fnord77•2h ago
> Developers actually take up to 19% longer when coding with AI than without it, but self-report that they were able to complete tasks 20% faster.

this contradicts thought leaders in the field like Andrew Ng

unclad5968•2h ago
What is a thought leader?
leakycap•1h ago
The person you are asking gave an example:

> thought leaders in the field like Andrew Ng

If its still cloudy, a "thought leader" is anyone recognized as an authority in their field, whose ideas and insights influence others and shape the direction of the hype cycle.

GLdRH•1h ago
A Führer for your thoughts
lbrito•41m ago
Thought Czar is more in vogue
sothatsit•1h ago
This is a stat from a pretty interesting study: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44522772

I quite like it actually because although I do use AI, I think you really do have to be careful about how you use it to avoid wasting more time than it saves when you run into a problem and insist on getting the AI to fix it instead of doing it yourself. It is very easy to fall into this trap of trying to get AI to do everything, because our brains are hardwired to avoid effort, and so we use it even when AI is not appropriate.

The biggest time saver for me with AI is to really try to avoid the round-and-round with AI and instead just get AI to take the first pass, maybe some small follow-ups, and then I take it from there and complete the task manually. AI can be a significant time-saver in that first pass at the problem, but after that you can waste so much time trying to get AI to fix something small that you could fix yourself in 5 minutes. And this can be especially damaging because it is less effort to use AI, so we don't necessarily notice when we are wasting time due to our own cognitive biases, which I think this study does a good job of pointing out.

dyauspitr•1h ago
Pure nonsense (referring to your quote)
androng•2h ago
I invested in META stock because I have an addiction to instagram and the tracking is so good that the ads are actually tailored to me and my desires so my CTR is i think 7% on average. contrast with YouTube and Google and Twitter where I block all the ads because the CTR is 0.00% because they are all garbage. Instagram keeps showing me ads for expensive stuff I don't need but I do want, like meal kits and fancy clothes
milofeynman•2h ago
I've found the same. I actually enjoy Instagram ads. I despise almost every other ad I can think of.
parpfish•1h ago
You enjoy the ads, but do you enjoy the products?

I’ve seen so many ads that show a nice product, so I click and it takes me to nice polished landing page, which leads to a smooth checkout flow. But then the thing arrives and it’s garbage. I believe that there’s an entire genre of niche-marketed consumer goods that have been broken by Campbell/Goodharts law because they’ve integrated the product design and marketing so tightly that the product is designed to optimize CTR and funnel conversions rather than being a good at being the thing that it is.

ch4s3•1h ago
The joke is that Instagram is QVC for millennials, it must be working on/for some people.
spondylosaurus•1h ago
There's a particular Instagram ad my wife always sees for a graphic tee with a design that we both love, but the vendor selling it is (according to Reddit reviews) garbage. The infuriating thing is that no one else seems to sell a shirt with that particular design!
gs17•1h ago
Yeah, I've had one that seemed like exactly something I wanted, turned out to be a scam, and they fucked it up enough that PayPal actually refunded me.
androng•2h ago
I think I can obtain a triple benefit by using Cursor "ask" mode instead of "agent" mode.

1) I don't over-rely on the AI so I don't accidentally commit bugs

2) I can just put in a OpenAI API key pay-as-you-go instead of subscribing to Cursor Pro monthly and getting screwed by SaaS fee I don't use

3) I actually learn what the AI says and add it to my long-term memory instead of just having it write code for me in Agent mode

admittedly this only works for small tasks, for bigger edits I think trying to learn everything the AI says is not really scalable or at least it takes me much longer.

gs17•1h ago
The biggest benefit to me (using Copilot instead of Cursor) is that you can make sure that it understands the problem and the solution is what you expected. If I want to see if it can make a big change, I usually flow through "I need X, what are our options" -> "Discuss option N more" -> "Ok, now you can do it".
jampa•2h ago
> Having your phone in the same room while doing cognitive work reliably drops your memory, attention, and overall cognitive performance.

That is my biggest problem with most Multifactor authentication. I try to leave my phone in another room to focus, but needing the phone authenticator for something always happens within two hours.

I still don't know why apps think a device I carry in the streets is safer than one I leave at home to do important transactions like moving money, for example. Where I live, there are a lot of cases of people being kidnapped and coerced to make payments (which are instant), yet no Banking app allows you to do anything without a phone.

candiddevmike•2h ago
Most MFA solutions can use a FIDO token these days (unless the admins are masochists), which you could keep plugged into your device
jampa•1h ago
Most banking apps here only allow their own app as a 2-factor authentication, not even TOTP is allowed. (I think they make it to increase user engagement.)

The worst one is Mercado Libre, which also requires you to use your phone to "scan" your face every time you log in with a new device. My friends were locked out due to having an allergy or growing a beard. Nowadays, I don't even bother with them... I just shop elsewhere.

satvikpendem•1h ago
This might defeat the purpose of MFA but I use an authenticator like Ente that works on the desktop and syncs to and from your phone.
cik•1h ago
Thank you, I really appreciate this. I've been looking for something exactly like this for ages, whilst trying to toss my current solution.
satvikpendem•57m ago
It's a great app, open source as well and works everywhere, even on the web. I migrated all my MFA to Ente Auth.
bigDinosaur•57m ago
It does not defeat the purpose as your MFA code/prompt as you are still protected even if someone has your password. The only slightly lesser protection is that if someone gains local access to your machine/password manager then everything is compromised vs. having your codes on your phone, but this should be very, very far down the list of security concerns for the majority of people.

The most realistic security threat for OTP's is that they can be phished in a few ways which is the same problem if you're using MFA stored on your desktop or phone. Hence the preference for physical security keys / passkeys which are impossible to phish.

lmm•1h ago
> I still don't know why apps think a device I carry in the streets is safer than one I leave at home to do important transactions like moving money, for example. Where I live, there are a lot of cases of people being kidnapped and coerced to make payments (which are instant), yet no Banking app allows you to do anything without a phone.

Muggings and kidnappings, as bad as they are, can't really be done at scale.

That device a) has some kind of secure enclave, hopefully, and more importantly b) restricts your ability to run arbitrary code off the internet to the point that everyday users probably can't do it. I don't like it, but they do it because it's effective.

o11c•43m ago
> I still don't know why apps think a device I carry in the streets is safer [...]

Because MFA requirements have never been about security, only security theater. It's the modern version of the "you must change your password every 30 days" rule.

p0sixlang•18m ago
Wat? If my laptop gets infected and the bad actor tries to access my (insert account protected with MFA here), their ability to do harm is limited by spreading things across two devices.
Dr_Birdbrain•42m ago
What would your employer say if you said “I don’t own a smartphone. What alternatives exist?”

My current employer has a little nub on my laptop that I touch, but my previous employer was big on making me check my smartphone.

bigiain•23m ago
I have at times carried a Firefox Phone and a Pinephone, and deeply enjoyed asking work or other people who insisted I needed to download an app to do (whatever) "Where I can get your app for my phone? No, it's not an iPhone. No, it's not an Android phone either."

(Lately I've been using "It's a work phone, I'm not able to install apps on it, you'll need to run your app past our corporate IT and Security team.")

joules77•26m ago
Don't use apps. The only apps on my phone are for communication. Nothing else.

It's quite possible to live with websites.

p0sixlang•17m ago
How are you delineating websites and apps, and can you elaborate what exactly your hypothesis is here?
padolsey•1h ago
> Using ChatGPT on cognitive tasks can reduce your brain connectivity by up to 50% and reduce your ability to recall information about the task by 8x.

Argh people keep referencing this study as Gospel. It has not been peer-reviewed. Its methodology has a number of concerning confounders. It's a tiny sample with a narrow contrived task domain. And the very premise of the study is misframed. The implication that 'brain activity' is a positive outcome does not follow. Brain connectivity might be analagous to inefficiency as opposed to the reported 'engagement' or 'cognitive debt'.

ch4s3•1h ago
Im never surprised when someone prattling on about dopamine also leans on a bad study to make a spurious point.
padolsey•1h ago
Yep it's always a bit cute and funny, when you consider the absolute necessity of dopamine in basically every functionally relevant neural activation. Talk to a parkinson's patient about your 'dopamine=bad' fluff. Ugh. They may as well just have titled it "Protecting My Attention At The {Insert Arbitrary Hormone or Neurotransmission Chemical} Carnival"....
bigiain•28m ago
> They may as well just have titled it "Protecting My Attention At The {Insert Arbitrary Hormone or Neurotransmission Chemical} Carnival"....

I disagree. I am absolutely certain that the vast majority of the readers here would have known in the context of that headline exactly what "The Dopamine Carnival" meant, without needing any specific positive or negative implications about dopamine in general or it's actual biochemical mechanisms. It's blatantly obviously about social media and mobile apps that are intentionally designed to manipulate your brain and its reward system.

llmthrow103•3m ago
I agree that it's not a great study, but I also don't want to find out too late that it wasn't a good idea to outsource my thinking to ChatGPT.
crtified•57m ago
The exact mechanisms will be individual to the person.

But the broad point is valid - distraction and subversion of attention is very high in today's society. Some people are overwhelmed and need to take steps.

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