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Hoot: Scheme on WebAssembly

https://www.spritely.institute/hoot/
2•AlexeyBrin•2m ago•0 comments

What the longevity experts don't tell you

https://machielreyneke.com/blog/longevity-lessons/
1•machielrey•3m ago•0 comments

Monzo wrongly denied refunds to fraud and scam victims

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2026/feb/07/monzo-natwest-hsbc-refunds-fraud-scam-fos-ombudsman
2•tablets•8m ago•0 comments

They were drawn to Korea with dreams of K-pop stardom – but then let down

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgnq9rwyqno
2•breve•10m ago•0 comments

Show HN: AI-Powered Merchant Intelligence

https://nodee.co
1•jjkirsch•12m ago•0 comments

Bash parallel tasks and error handling

https://github.com/themattrix/bash-concurrent
2•pastage•12m ago•0 comments

Let's compile Quake like it's 1997

https://fabiensanglard.net/compile_like_1997/index.html
1•billiob•13m ago•0 comments

Reverse Engineering Medium.com's Editor: How Copy, Paste, and Images Work

https://app.writtte.com/read/gP0H6W5
2•birdculture•19m ago•0 comments

Go 1.22, SQLite, and Next.js: The "Boring" Back End

https://mohammedeabdelaziz.github.io/articles/go-next-pt-2
1•mohammede•24m ago•0 comments

Laibach the Whistleblowers [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6Mx2mxpaCY
1•KnuthIsGod•26m ago•1 comments

Slop News - HN front page right now hallucinated as 100% AI SLOP

https://slop-news.pages.dev/slop-news
1•keepamovin•30m ago•1 comments

Economists vs. Technologists on AI

https://ideasindevelopment.substack.com/p/economists-vs-technologists-on-ai
1•econlmics•32m ago•0 comments

Life at the Edge

https://asadk.com/p/edge
3•tosh•38m ago•0 comments

RISC-V Vector Primer

https://github.com/simplex-micro/riscv-vector-primer/blob/main/index.md
4•oxxoxoxooo•42m ago•1 comments

Show HN: Invoxo – Invoicing with automatic EU VAT for cross-border services

2•InvoxoEU•42m ago•0 comments

A Tale of Two Standards, POSIX and Win32 (2005)

https://www.samba.org/samba/news/articles/low_point/tale_two_stds_os2.html
3•goranmoomin•46m ago•0 comments

Ask HN: Is the Downfall of SaaS Started?

3•throwaw12•47m ago•0 comments

Flirt: The Native Backend

https://blog.buenzli.dev/flirt-native-backend/
2•senekor•49m ago•0 comments

OpenAI's Latest Platform Targets Enterprise Customers

https://aibusiness.com/agentic-ai/openai-s-latest-platform-targets-enterprise-customers
1•myk-e•51m ago•0 comments

Goldman Sachs taps Anthropic's Claude to automate accounting, compliance roles

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/02/06/anthropic-goldman-sachs-ai-model-accounting.html
3•myk-e•54m ago•5 comments

Ai.com bought by Crypto.com founder for $70M in biggest-ever website name deal

https://www.ft.com/content/83488628-8dfd-4060-a7b0-71b1bb012785
1•1vuio0pswjnm7•55m ago•1 comments

Big Tech's AI Push Is Costing More Than the Moon Landing

https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/ai-spending-tech-companies-compared-02b90046
4•1vuio0pswjnm7•57m ago•0 comments

The AI boom is causing shortages everywhere else

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2026/02/07/ai-spending-economy-shortages/
2•1vuio0pswjnm7•59m ago•0 comments

Suno, AI Music, and the Bad Future [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8dcFhF0Dlk
1•askl•1h ago•2 comments

Ask HN: How are researchers using AlphaFold in 2026?

1•jocho12•1h ago•0 comments

Running the "Reflections on Trusting Trust" Compiler

https://spawn-queue.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3786614
1•devooops•1h ago•0 comments

Watermark API – $0.01/image, 10x cheaper than Cloudinary

https://api-production-caa8.up.railway.app/docs
2•lembergs•1h ago•1 comments

Now send your marketing campaigns directly from ChatGPT

https://www.mail-o-mail.com/
1•avallark•1h ago•1 comments

Queueing Theory v2: DORA metrics, queue-of-queues, chi-alpha-beta-sigma notation

https://github.com/joelparkerhenderson/queueing-theory
1•jph•1h ago•0 comments

Show HN: Hibana – choreography-first protocol safety for Rust

https://hibanaworks.dev/
5•o8vm•1h ago•1 comments
Open in hackernews

The IRS Is Building a System to Share Taxpayers' Data with ICE

https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-irs-share-tax-records-ice-dhs-deportations
117•srameshc•6mo ago

Comments

duxup•6mo ago
ICE just seems to be a setup for "federal personal thugs".

We've seen them now threatening not just American citizens, other politicians, judges. ICE has been given instructions to simply go operate on their own without direction to "find" people.

The laws surroundings them are surprisingly forgiving / people have few protections. This step seems to just be to dump vast quantities of data they could just for anything they wish from departments that had rules for how they can use that data ... to a group that has few rules ...

sneak•6mo ago
They regularly imprison people for days, weeks, or months without trial that they know are US citizens.
mixmastamyk•6mo ago
What are the stats, how regularly?
jimt1234•6mo ago
Illegally detaining a single US citizen is one too many.
ryandrake•6mo ago
Illegally detaining anyone is one too many.
esseph•6mo ago
Hard to say without due process. Takes time to go through courts if it even does.

https://www.openice.org/

thatguy0900•6mo ago
I mean that's kind of the problem of avoiding the court system as much as they can. There is no stats, who knows
_DeadFred_•6mo ago
The federal government loves to play this 'it's only civil, not criminal, therefor a loser set of rules apply' to lots of things. Knowing it's an end run around rights people/lawyers/courts have still let them get away with it because they support the final outcome or because it simplifies the process.
MiguelX413•6mo ago
> loser

Looser?

jrs235•6mo ago
And the problem of not allowing other government officials outside of ICE and the executive having access to facilities, paperwork, camera systems. ICE can too easily hide what they are doing. The lack of transparency and oversight is despicable.
saguntum•6mo ago
Here is an article about the topic: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/tracking-us-citizens...

There's a 2011 study linked there but as others mentioned, hard to track without due process.

mixmastamyk•6mo ago
Thanks. At the end it links to a study that estimates citizens at 1-1.5% of removals.

https://jacquelinestevens.org/StevensVSP18.32011.pdf

viraptor•6mo ago
To a group with few rules, lots of funding coming their way and building concentration camps. In a year I expect to hear they're just a paramilitary group removing undesirable people regardless of immigration status.
jimt1234•6mo ago
The FBI was also controversial in its early days. But at least their agents wore nice suits and were held to a standard of conduct. ICE agents wear masks over their faces and urinate in public.
insane_dreamer•6mo ago
the FBI doesn't have unfettered access to IRS data
wnevets•6mo ago
Is this why Elon killed the free direct tax filing?
kevingadd•6mo ago
IIRC the free tax filing thing being killed is just classic lobbying, the owners of Intuit and other paid tax filing companies have myriad political connections and spend a lot of money to protect their interests.
0xEF•6mo ago
Correct.

It's the same conversation every year, well before Elon came along. The big players are TurboTax and H&R Block. TurboTax specifically has led the charge for over two decades to prevent you from ever filing your taxes for free. It's a racket, and an extremely profitable one for them, so there's no way they're going to willingly give that up without some new and enforceable laws being passed.

jalk•6mo ago
Wasn't it auto-filling that got killed recently? IIRC TurboTax has to provide free filing service along with their paid services, but they employ a ton of dark patterns to steer people into the paying parts
0xEF•6mo ago
I think so? I'd have to look it up, but I believe you're right.

They _definitely_ employ a lot of dark patterns, though. Glad you brought that up, because not enough people are taking the "dark patterns" thing seriously enough, in my opinion. It is absolutely wild what you can get people to do without even realizing it with some good front-end development, and none of us are immune to those tricks.

wnevets•6mo ago
No, it was DOGE and Musk that killed it [1], Elon even bragged about "deleting" [2] the team that created it. If you want to argue that lobbying got DOGE/Musk to do it that's fine but they're responsible for its death.

[1] https://www.livenowfox.com/news/irs-direct-file-doge-cuts

[2] https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/05/business/musk-irs-direct-file

ipv6ipv4•6mo ago
That’s one way to push generally law abiding, tax paying people into the black market where they won’t pay taxes, and have a higher likelihood of dabbling in criminal enterprise.
behringer•6mo ago
Perfect way to fill up the for-profit prisons and get that unpaid workforce that will replace all the migrants.
criddell•6mo ago
Do the feds still use for-profit prisons?
TimorousBestie•6mo ago
No, but the feds still rent prisoners out for forced labor. The profits merely go to someone else.
alistairSH•6mo ago
Stopped via EO (Biden) in November 2022.

Trump can easily start using them again, should he care to do so.

esseph•6mo ago
Most if not all of those were revoked by Trump EOs.
thanhhaimai•6mo ago
In case you're serious about the question, the answer is a yes.

Emphasis mine.

> Seventy-five percent of the prisoners in U.S. Marshals custody are detained in state, local and _private_ facilities; the remainder are housed in Federal Bureau of Prisons (BOP) facilities.

https://www.usmarshals.gov/what-we-do/prisoners/operation/cu...

Here is another source:

> The U.S. Marshals Service detains about 60,000 people a day who are awaiting federal trial or sentencing. While it doesn't operate jails, it does partner with public and private detention facilities. The service assesses detention conditions at these facilities.

> We found shortcomings in its oversight. For example, many deputies who reviewed state and local facilities hadn't received required training. Additionally, some facilities didn't meet some standards for 3 years in a row, including food safety standards.

https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-24-106348

jimt1234•6mo ago
Honest question: What is the plan for all these "illegals" once they're rounded up and sent to "Alligator Alcatraz" or whatever detention facility? Are they just gonna be held indefinitely? Is there gonna be some sort of court proceeding to determine their "legality"?
tessierashpool•6mo ago
no, they're (illegally) using a private intake system to bypass the courts.
jimt1234•6mo ago
And I think their argument is that the detainees (the "illegal aliens") are not US citizens (according to them), therefore US laws and courts are not applicable.
stouset•6mo ago
Plan?
tastyface•6mo ago
Slave labor, perhaps: https://snyder.substack.com/p/concentration-camp-labor
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF•6mo ago
This seems like the most likely thing to me, in no small part that it’s already why American prisons exist in the first place.
jeffbee•6mo ago
Honestly why are any of us paying taxes? The probability of future IRS enforcement has never been lower than it is right now.
kevingadd•6mo ago
Beyond that, as we gradually slide towards having zero political representation and near-zero actual human rights, it becomes more and more questionable what we're getting for our tax dollars. The contract between the taxpayer and the government is being eroded.
anonym29•6mo ago
There is no contract between taxpayer and government. We use "the social contract" as a polite euphemism for the terms of tyranny we live under.

Real contracts offer a chance for all signatories to consider the terms and the opportunity for either party to reject the terms and not be bound to them.

You'll note that you never had the choice to decline "the social contract", because again, it wasn't a contract you agreed to, it was the terms of tyranny you were being made aware of.

nerevarthelame•6mo ago
The IRS can audit a failure to file taxes without any time restriction. So if you think there's a decent chance that the US will ever again have a president that desires a functioning government, you should probably pay your taxes.
davidw•6mo ago
But the possibility for selective enforcement against perceived enemies of the state is still present.
BobaFloutist•6mo ago
I've never paid taxes based on fear of enforcement.
delusional•6mo ago
Republicans would argue they are already dabbling in "criminal enterprise" by having trouble with ICE. You might then argue that "but they haven't been convicted" which is true, but you also know the republicans don't agree with that either.
_petronius•6mo ago
Being undocumented is a civil offense, not a criminal one. The distinction is relevant, and important.
caseysoftware•6mo ago
US Code appears to disagree:

8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

(a)Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts

Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

Ref: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325

criddell•6mo ago
Would that apply to dreamers (people who were brought into the US by their parents when they were minors)?
klipt•6mo ago
Dreamers are not protected by congressional law, they're protected by an Obama executive order (DACA). Which means that protection could be removed by Trump at the stroke of a pen. Dreamers really entirely on the moral compass of Trump...
klipt•6mo ago
Visa application forms are really long and complicated and it's easy to make a mistake somewhere. With some motivated investigation and sufficiently broad interpretation I expect you could accuse most foreign visitors of "misrepresentation and concealment of facts"
somanyphotons•6mo ago
This is also exactly why the de-naturalization is such a scary threat, it's essentially impossible to be 100% truthful given how all the questions are worded on application forms.
dataflow•6mo ago
> concealment of a material fact

For what it's worth, when denaturalization came up in the first Trump presidency, SCOTUS threw them out of court because they deemed the word "material" as... very material. Though who knows if they'll change their tune this time.

BobaFloutist•6mo ago
What do you mean, you don't think it's perfectly reasonable to ask

Have you EVER been a member of, involved in, or in any way associated with any organization, association, fund, foundation, party, club, society, or similar group in the United States or in any other location in the world?

And then demand dates, locations, roles, etc for each and every time you have?

nucleardog•6mo ago
Not going to dig too far to try and find updated numbers, but as of 2014 about 2/3 of people who had entered the country illegally that year were people that overstayed their visa and the ratio had been on an upward trend for quite a while.

I'm sure you could torture that into applying to that situation, but at least on a very plain reading it doesn't sound like it applies generally to those people.

dataflow•6mo ago
> 2/3 of people who had entered the country illegally that year were people that overstayed their visa

That doesn't make sense. If you overstayed the visa then you (probably?) entered legally, not illegally. Did you mean something else?

bombcar•6mo ago
I guess they mean “in the country illegally” but I presume you could also argue that if they entered intending to overstay the visa, they entered illegally.
nucleardog•6mo ago
Yeah something like that. Of the people who entered the country that year and who were now in the country illegally, 2/3 had entered on a valid visa.

Was trying to figure out a succinct way to say that and instead just butchered it. Words are hard.

TimorousBestie•6mo ago
8 USC 1325 and 1326 represent a fraction of immigration cases, mostly Mexican or South American smuggling. There are many other categories of undocumented person.
caseysoftware•6mo ago
What are the categories you're thinking of and what % fit into each?
dataflow•6mo ago
You should clarify what you mean by undocumented. "Oops I lost my passport somewhere" is very different from "I lack documentation because I crossed the border illegally."
antonymoose•6mo ago
Depending on the circumstances, the mood of a Federal agent, and of a prosecutor it could be charged either civilly or criminally. The sibling comment explains this better than I could.

Stepping past the direct offense of being here, one must ask how are they supporting themselves financially? Assuming they are workers, they’re either not paying taxes (a crime) or stealing the identity of a citizen in order to fool an employer. Now they are at least paying taxes, but they’ve victimized a lawful resident or Citizen. This is far from a victimless crime, it took my mother two years to fully clear her name after this occurred to her identity. The IRS and credit agencies are not very understanding.

FuriouslyAdrift•6mo ago
Improper entry is a criminal offense (crossing the border illegally, etc.)... unlawful presence (overstaying a visa, etc.) is a civil offense.
mindslight•6mo ago
Republicans will argue whatever orange Kim Jong Un and mass media tell them to this week, but this doesn't mean any of those arguments are logically sensible or connected to reality. As a libertarian I steelmanned Republican points for far too long, but at this point they're completely off the rails. All that remains is a fascist anti-American juche cult, and the main question is what are we going to do about it.
gjsman-1000•6mo ago
The goal is to force self-deportation. Whether this will be successful is too early to say.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/27/immigrants-s...

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2025/06/self-de...

Edit for reply: As for the comparison with prohibition, I don't quite agree. The clampdown on CP, despite being just images and data as much as regular P, has thankfully been very successful. The government actually can clamp down on things, even purely digital information, when it has the will.

ipv6ipv4•6mo ago
Yes, and the goal of prohibition was to end alcohol consumption. Instead it cemented organized crime in America.

There is an unmistakable hint of cognitive dissonance when the administration believes that the best way to get at "freeloading" illegal immigrants is through their taxes.

mindslight•6mo ago
Like lighting your house on fire to get an unwanted party guest to leave.

Going by the track record of their other so-called "plans" - no, this will not be successful.

red-iron-pine•6mo ago
they're not doing it to be successful, they're doing it to create an unimpeachable internal security force
drstewart•6mo ago
What other regulations do you think people should get to avoid under threat of not paying their taxes if forced to follow them?
longfingers•6mo ago
A drug dealer who pays his taxes has committed less crimes than one who doesn't unless the IRS reports income to the DEA, then tax savings are a benefit of drug dealing as filing taxes becomes a violation of the 5th amendment.
drstewart•6mo ago
That's a great point, and I didn't think of that. Taxes should allow you to admit to any crimes with zero repercussions. If you list income from your child prostitution ring, it should be illegal to save the children because it violates the sanctity of CPA-client privilege.
longfingers•6mo ago
Ah yes, think of the children is always a good way to defend a country of laws from becoming a defensless emotional wreck that has a future worthy of no child.
const_cast•6mo ago
When in doubt just appeal to people's sense of morality by telling them children are getting touched or something.
ipv6ipv4•6mo ago
I don't understand your convoluted question. In any case, I'm fairly certain it misses the point. Going after people via their taxes is not going to achieve the intended effect of kicking people out. Instead it will backfire in unintended ways, just like prohibition boosted and cemented organized crime in America.
drstewart•6mo ago
Actually, NOT going after undocumented people via their taxes won't achieve the intended effect you're hoping for. Instead it will backfire in unintended ways even more.

There, now we've made equally irrefutable claims.

esseph•6mo ago
https://www.openice.org/ covers lost tax revenue
eschulz•6mo ago
I completely agree that ICE, or anyone, having my tax info is a violation of my privacy and is of course total BS. However, as a legal worker in the US, I don't think ICE violating my privacy will push me toward the black market. Wouldn't moving from the legal workforce to the "black market" be a big risk on my part?
MiguelX413•6mo ago
They're obviously not talking about you.
xnx•6mo ago
Worth reminding that the ICE budget is expanding to $28 billion. This is bigger than the budget of the FBI and DEA combined.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/12/us/politics/ice-expansion...

mindslight•6mo ago
"3 5 0 1 2 5 Go!" was not meant to be taken this literally.
pimlottc•6mo ago
What does this mean?
dgrin91•6mo ago
Quick google found this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_(song)

Never listened to this song though.

_trampeltier•6mo ago
Where do they find so many people to work for ICE in this short time?
davidw•6mo ago
By lowering their standards a lot.
viraptor•6mo ago
You're effectively asking where do they find people keen to be enforcement goons against mostly-foreigners, with minimal oversight and no need for identification. There's a large number of guys ready to join this one - they're in local fascist groups in all the cities.
insane_dreamer•6mo ago
perhaps recruitment among the Proud Boys and similar groups
red-iron-pine•6mo ago
there are huge segments of the US economy that have not recovered and inflation is crushing people. housing is out of control.

no shortage of desperate bodies who'd happily take a GS wage with a pension

epoxia•6mo ago
I would recommend reading Extreme Privacy by Michael Bazzell if these types of thing concern you. A relevant passage:

"First, I would never provide my home address on any application or W-9 form. This should only be your PO Box, UPS Box, or PMB address. Your employer likely does not care much about where you live, unless the job has residency requirements, such as a police officer. The IRS does not object to the use of a mail box address. They just want their money."

kevingadd•6mo ago
Does this work in practice? Historically my actual residence is needed for tax reasons, i.e. properly tracking what state I owe income tax in for cash compensation and stock options.
Amfy•6mo ago
get a PMB in your state (or county even). You'll be surprised how many PMBs exist
noman-land•6mo ago
What is a PMB?
khuey•6mo ago
Private Mail Box (i.e. a PO Box like product at your local UPS store/etc).
noman-land•6mo ago
Thank you.
duxup•6mo ago
Yeah I don't see how this works. Got a mortgage, you're going to report info that lead them to your financial institution who knows the address and so on. Insurance, any other financial service that did some data checks / credit checks.

I don't buy into the idea that you can magically hide your home address, this info is already out.

Izkata•6mo ago
A step further, homeowners are public information. You can even look up the records online for free on county treasurer websites.
epoxia•6mo ago
Not everybody owns a home, particularly the transient workers who would be concerned with ICE.
duxup•6mo ago
I don't think an apartment / renting would be much different.
red-iron-pine•6mo ago
Krebs on Security talked about this. He kept getting death threats and swat'd.

You setup corporations who own your shit. The mortgage and house ownership is handled by the corp. You own the corp, and in some cases there is an umbrella corp that owns other corps.

The corporation then rents you your house. Mortgage and related points back to the corpo address, and you use a PO Box for personal stuff.

Ditto for phones, domains, etc. -- run through the company.

jlongr•6mo ago
No. What he's describing is like covering your face with your hands and thinking that you're invisible.
Thrymr•6mo ago
It might help obscure your physical address in public records and keep private companies from finding it as easily, but yeah, it's not going to keep the government-wide database from locating you.
duxup•6mo ago
This feels like one of those bits of security tips / infotainment that IRL provides no value.
0xEF•6mo ago
It just adds an extra step that keeps the general public away from your PII. The post office knows who owns that PO box and where that person actually lives. A simple subpoena makes that information available to whatever arm of enforcement needs it.
lazide•6mo ago
Every info aggregator (including ones that post crap online) already has both bits of info and associates them.

Go ahead, do some searches on yourself - I had accurate addresses and poboxes I’d long since forgotten about.

0xEF•6mo ago
Yeah, I know. It's disturbing to say the least. The thinking with PO Boxes is just left over from a time when it was possible to use them as an extra layer of protection. It's barely an inconvenience to anyone who wants to get your address, anymore.
mindslight•6mo ago
A simple what? "subpoena"? Is that like a new term for a bulk database retrieval?
mixmastamyk•6mo ago
A lot of rich and famous do this, keeps the “riffraff” off their ass. Not meant to be bulletproof but can be useful.
duxup•6mo ago
Some rich folks trying to avoid random googlers isn't quite the same as trying to avoid ICE's ire.
mixmastamyk•6mo ago
Many famous people have stalkers. And not the point of this subthread.
epoxia•6mo ago
PO boxes have stricter address information requirements but there are other services that are more lax and can pass with a utility bill from a previous rental address. Thus, obfuscating the real address.
driverdan•6mo ago
I've been using PMBs for about 20 years. If you don't own real estate it can definitely help anonymize your location, even to the government. You rent one home, get a PMB using that location as your home, then move. Use the PMB for everything and never give out your new home address.

If you own real estate it's much harder, especially now that companies have to report their owners and directors.

At the very least PMBs help protect your home address from companies and the public.

mass_and_energy•6mo ago
If you're an American, you're living in the "before times". You need to take action to preserve your freedom, or you'll find yourself in an Orwellian hell hole wondering why you didn't do something when it was much easier to take political action.
deepspace•6mo ago
As an outsider is is difficult to watch Americans do nothing while their vaunted freedoms are stripped away one at a time.
red-iron-pine•6mo ago
AI is very effective, and even before that the "Russian Firehose of Falsehood" approach worked.

Firehose the populous with stupid BS and 3 minutes of hate activities and they'll eventually lose track of specific actions; essentially boiling a frog

humbleferret•6mo ago
A system that matches by name rather than a unique ID is wild. It could easily identify the wrong people.
bdcravens•6mo ago
If they are serious, they'd be using taxpayer data not to find people to deport, but to audit those with labor expenses that don't map to American taxpayers. Many American business owners are getting rich on the back of "illegal" labor, and the US's enforcement efforts seem to be willingly ignoring the demand side of the equation.
IncreasePosts•6mo ago
I've wondered about it too, but I think it might just come down to it's far easier to say "papers, please" and verify them, versus auditing a business to understand where their payroll is going. You also need to account for people using stolen/borrowed credentials to appear to be able to work legally in the US(and generally verified by the federal government). If someone says they are Bob Jones, and they show you an ID, and you send that to the government and the government says Bob Jones can work for you, then you have no real way to tell that Bob Jones actually holds 40 different jobs simultaneously all over the country - but the government does.
TimorousBestie•6mo ago
Unfortunately going after the business owners that profit from cheap labor is the one place neither party can tread. Recently Trump said he wants exceptions made for farms, hotels, golf courses, and the like.
mindslight•6mo ago
This is exactly the crux of it - why immigration reform has repeatedly failed for the past several decades, why people are so increasingly upset about it, and why Trump is going to do absolutely nothing to change the status quo beyond upping the fascism.
tfandango•6mo ago
Elimination of the incentives is the correct solution, yet solving the problem correctly is often harder and more time consuming than just saying you solved it. These raids are public and chaotic and easy, and then you can just claim to have solved the problem, which works just fine for them. You see, politically, the incentives are not to solve the problem because we believe the lies they tell.
mindslight•6mo ago
It's not even just the "incentives", but rather the main issue that people have a legitimate problem with - depression of the labor market. Regardless of the viciousness signalling, Trump always backs down when posturing meets reality - he was certainly bound to do so on an issue directly affecting his business empire! His only real skill is being a really good con artist. He is not even good at running businesses, hence the simplistic fascism of just ordering people around.

And so, if you actually care about addressing illegal immigration, or any other issue that requires a competent government, then Trump has been a step backwards for you regardless of how you may feel. Your first step is now admitting your mistake and working to get rid of Trump, alongside every other American.

tessierashpool•6mo ago
no, they're serious, but they're not sincere.

once this system is up and running, they can use it to harass and "deport" (rendition) anybody they want based on what tax-deductible contributions they've made to various non-profits.

(it's rendition because a lot of these people are being sent to countries they're not even citizens of. obviously that pertains when sending people to prisons in El Salvador and Sudan. also, when deporting immigrant parents, they've "deported" US citizens who are children or infants to the countries of their parents' citizenship.)

insane_dreamer•6mo ago
they're not trying to solve the problem (they know the economy depends on illegal labor), they're trying to provide the _appearance_ of solving the problem
daft_pink•6mo ago
It’s obviously an extremely efficient way to identify those in the country illegally as it will provide their address, work location, information that can be easily, whether they’ve stolen someone’s identity and quickly linked to another database that can verify work authorization. Third parties like employers/banks/payors have to provide the information that they have into the system.

Whether you like it or not, it totally makes sense that ICE would want information from the IRS.

iJohnDoe•6mo ago
Any existing theories where all this is going? What’s the long term play here?

When Bush Jr. was president, he grabbed so much power. Didn’t make sense he would just hand that power over to the next guy, but he indeed have a peaceful transfer of power.

I’m not sure Democrats would want to give this much power to ICE. Not really thinking about Trump as a third term, but maybe we’re just doomed to have Republicans in power - forever being elected?

red-iron-pine•6mo ago
they're not planning for elections...
insane_dreamer•6mo ago
ICE is the new gestapo

as for the illegals, if they're in the IRS database that means they're paying taxes -- which means they're contributing positively to the economy; give them legal status so they can continue contributing -- all this does is push them to _not_ file

the country would be much better off if engineers' time was spent building systems to catch the large amount of tax fraud by the wealthy -- IRS estimated a tax gap of $700 billion.

jrs235•6mo ago
The Goal, by Eliyahu Goldratt...

Rather than spending billions of dollars on ICE and filling up the queues, the money should have been spent on the bottleneck, the courts. Invest in more courts and judges to address the bottleneck. It's obvious to me it's not about kicking and keeping some people out, it's about dehumanizing and detaining people for long periods of time, or indefinitely, and forcing them to provide free and cheap labor via the for-profit prison BS, here in the US or abroad.