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Advertising Without Signal: The Rise of the Grifter Equilibrium

https://www.gojiberries.io/advertising-without-signal-whe-amazon-ads-confuse-more-than-they-clarify/
63•neehao•6h ago

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abstractspoon•5h ago
Oof
soared•5h ago
Those formulas have to be comedy but it seems like it’s trying to be serious.
neehao•5h ago
agree. they seem hasty but didn't notice anything obviously wrong but may be i missed something ...
neehao•4h ago
appears the math was updated
gsf_emergency_2•4h ago
Yes. Comedy is suboptimally optimal
esperent•4h ago
Regarding the Oatly ad at the top (Another ad for our oat drink providing no reason at all why you should try it), this ad does have a signal. It's a humblebrag. It's saying, our product is so well known, and the reasons for using it so obvious, that we don't need to say anything. It's cementing Oatly brand in the minds of anyone who already thinks that they should be switching to non-dairy milk for any reason (health, environment, etc).
neehao•4h ago
agree..
xnx•3h ago
Also that it is the drink of nonconformists and creatives. Many of their other ads cross way over into tryhard cringe for how "random" they are.
cnity•2h ago
Tryhard cringe for us, but likely very funny and edgy to, say, 5-10 year olds. It wouldn’t surprise me if there wasn’t an attempt to center Oatly for coming generations as an investment.
spyckie2•1h ago
I wish someone did an analysis of their marketing. I really hope it was a huge flop because it’s just awful.

I despise their horrible advertising and marketing copy in general and I sometimes just have to tell myself, “it’s just oat milk no need to boycott it because some edgy marketing consultant forces you to read their nonsense”.

mattlondon•1h ago
It's in your head. Someone did something right.
mattlondon•1h ago
It's I think what we used to call "brand advertising".

Just like random "coca-cola" billboards at the side of a road or a sports stadium

amelius•8m ago
The ad is basically saying "You consumers don't know how to use your brains and will buy our brand just because we showed a picture of it". Terrible.
mrala•4h ago
Since the article doesn’t mention it, CPA stands for cost per action.
closewith•30m ago
Cost Per Acquisition (of a new customer).
ArtTimeInvestor•3h ago

    CPA pricing removes the burn
Not true. There is limited ad space which all advertisers compete for. No matter which model, CPC or CPA, the advertiser who pays most gets the ad placement.

Its similar to SEO. Nobody says "Oh my god, advertising via SEO is free, what a blessing!". It's still a competition. It's still a zero sum game.

ajb•1h ago
He's not saying advertisers don't compete. He's saying it changes from advertising being a massive risk as well as a cost, to just a cost. So the auction is won by the company with the biggest instantaneous profit margin on a SKU, instead of the one with the biggest war chest that can afford to risk on that massive prime time slot. This change in incentive favours shitty products.
maartenscholl•2h ago
This has little to do with equilibrium analysis, it is just the market for lemons story but for the ad space. You need to investigate the buyers and what they believe about brand quality.
cornholio•2h ago
One of the remedies proposed, tying product reviews to the manufacturer instead of the storefront is a very difficult thing to implement.

Manufacturers are in a fundamental conflict with Amazon precisely because they desire to fully control the retail channels and set their own promotions, online discounts etc. and capture most of the surplus themselves while still segmenting the market and, for example, selling at different prices through certain local distributors.

Amazon has the exact opposite incentives, they want distributors of the same brand to compete amongst themselves so they can offer the lowest global prices, and that it's Amazon and its users that capture most of the surplus.

This is the root of the forgery problem Amazon can't solve, manufacturers aren't willing to vouch for their products when sold in secondary channels they do not fully control. So this means they will not collaborate on the "global rating" scheme either.

seydor•2h ago
That explains the success of platforms like Temu: every search generates many identical products that are all dirt cheap, which makes my search much easier. I find myself buying a lot faster because there is not a lot of variety and relatively little trickery/ads
bravesoul2•36m ago
Are we talking about the same Temu that pops up a spinning roulette wheel telling you have 100% off and to install the app to get the offer? (Catch is... it isn't 100% off and it's BS)
mattlondon•1h ago
The cited research that buyers use price as an indicator of quality was from 1985. Does that hold true these days?

My gut suspects not?

Perhaps in the early and mid 80s you could still buy quality products, but now is seems 99% of things are just mass-produced where ever it is cheapest. People are conditioned on Amazon to find the same product from a jumble-of-letter manufacturer who is selling the exact same thing at the lowest price. I do not trust that if I buy a "known brand" for a product that it is going to be any different from a similar same no-name thing that is 20-30% of the price (...and very possibly built in the same factory). If it's all low quality crap (which a lot of the time it is) then you may as well get the cheapest one

Sadly you need to rely on things like YouTube videos to actually get any kind of idea on if the item is trash or not, and even then there is the risk of paid-reviews so you need to take multiple sources into account, who they are, trust levels etc. it's sad. Either that or - and I know this is madness - go to a physical store and inspect the goods before you buy it.

I would argue that the article is correct that quality is often secondary to speed of delivery and cheapness though. Amazon has totally won there.

fragmede•13m ago
If I buy a $100 projector vs a $1,000 one, or a $20 curling iron vs a $200 one, the order of magnitude difference does make for a better product, I find.
sgt101•54m ago
How can consumers respond to get useful information and enable themselves to make better decisions when exchanging their resources for goods?

- use other information channels like review media (fashion sites)?

- trust secondary sites like brand retailers (IE. John Lewis in the UK?)

????

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