But I guess if we accepted that, nobody would be to blame.
Not a California thing either. Southern states have similar laws thanks to common natural disasters like hurricanes.
Remember when Uber was new and the surge pricing could do 20X+ in just a few minutes when there was an emergency? And then they had to fix it so that wouldn't happen, the trade off being that there just weren't cars available.
The thing is, some people aren't price sensitive. In a sudden blizzard, some people are happy to pay $350 for a two mile ride home, just to get home. And some drivers are happy to go out in that weather for their piece of the $350.
The hard question is how do you find the balance?
When the rate shoots up like this drivers will get a message, and plenty of them will get out of bed or stop whatever they're doing and get on the road. The platform will probably take a nice cut, but otherwise to meet demand they'd have to subsidise most of the difference. That would be some very expensive PR.
Regardless, I don't see any problem here. The price increases, more people with a spare apartment, home, or room will be incentivized to host which increases supply.
If you suppress the price artificially, then the supply won't increase which won't do people who lost their homes any favors.
Supply's not increasing substantially in the near future to help regardless. Folks place far too much faith in market effects that history has demonstrated again and again only take effect in the long term.
You know what would actually guarantee an increase in supply? Government-funded public housing. But that would deflate property prices, which is far more reprehensible to americans than the institutions of poverty and homelessness. We are a disgusting and reprehensible people.
Or just removing needless restrictions so the market can provide the incentive for private entities to build housing? The government is not the primary builder of housing, nor should it be.
BUT NO! I asked the driver and at the end of the trip he kindly showed me how much Lyft gave him.
$62 before tip.
Per international law the executives of these companies are supposed to be prosecuted by the countries they are operating out of. Even if the US does nothing, the tide is turning and these executives may face arrest when stepping into another country.
[1] https://www.un.org/unispal/document/a-hrc-59-23-from-economy...
vouaobrasil•3h ago
legitster•3h ago
Which is an argument that this is not truly gouging - there's just a demand surge and a supply crunch and the market responds the same way as if it was a business conference in town.
Another thing worth pointing out is that the market of available Airbnbs clears out from the cheaper units first. So it may look like prices are shooting up, but really it's just that all the normal priced ones are gone.
csomar•2h ago
dmkolobov•2h ago
It was an unconvincing argument then, and is an unconvincing argument now.
Rebelgecko•1h ago
Second most convincing argument is people who hoarded toilet paper during COVID
caterama•1h ago
Arainach•46m ago
That's not an argument for price gouging, it's an argument for rationing.
AuryGlenz•9m ago
Sure, you can limit amount per customer per store. But then someone comes in with their husband and double dips, and then go back through in 10 minutes hitting different checkouts, or just go through self checkout, and then go to different stores…
All the toilet paper is still gone, encouraging fear in other people to do the same as the couple above.
The alternative would have been “you idiots are buying all the toilet paper? Fine. It’s 5x more expensive now.”
People then see that toilet paper is still in stores and prices can come down gradually but rapidly, and if people start being nervous again prices can quickly raise to stamp that out.
xboxnolifes•2h ago
pentaphobe•2h ago
I bet most of those same people would lose their minds if their favourite restaurant tried to double prices overnight. "Yeah we sold a lot of burgers yesterday..."
AlotOfReading•1h ago
orangecat•1h ago
hackable_sand•45m ago
AuryGlenz•14m ago
tbrownaw•2h ago
So then real price gouging is... what, when you charge more than everyone else (and drive all your customers away to competitors)?
hcnews•1h ago
This seems pretty undesirable. Very easy for Airbnb/third party to increase prices even without demand just to increase their prices.
We recently saw a similar price fixing lawsuit for renters. Landlords, co-ordinating together, ended up increasing prices of Condos across major American cities (via means of a third party). The consumer ends up paying unnecessarily high prices in an inelastic market.
msgodel•1h ago
Huh. I know a number of AirBNB hosts (the new kind that treat it like a business, not the old kind) and they all absolutely do model the market out months in advance and 100% manually set the prices.
austhrow743•16m ago
“the market responds the same way as if it was a business conference in town.” Normal people definitely complain about that and use the word gouging when they do so.
fsckboy•2h ago
we don't need to know.
if airbnb raised the prices and the market isn't there, rental income will go down and vacancy rates will go up and airbnb will lower prices again.
if airbnb raised the prices and the market stayed strong, they'd raise the prices more.
the higher the prices go, the more people with extra space to rent out will take notice and clean up their garage, or go stay at grandma's or whatever, creating more housing out of thin air (actually, on the margin) helping alleviate the housing shortage.
the same pattern would happen if hosts raise the prices themselves. also, if all the cheap places get rented, the market will appear to have higher prices even if nothing has changed.
let markets figure out prices, period. that's what markets do, it's one of mankind's stellar achievments. It's why the west is successful and communism fails.
if airbnb has monopoly power and is manipulating prices, fix that problem any day of the week, don't use a massive fire that destroys housing as evidence of anything, it means nothing, that's normal market correction.
JackYoustra•1h ago
Markets tend to the second and need state intervention in order to prevent the proliferation of monopolies. Functionally this is intervention every time price coordination happens, which... is pretty clearly what AirBNB is doing!
tsimionescu•56m ago