Disclaimer: I gladly buy from local EU businesses, but not if they're just a middleman charging an unreasonable fee for importing Chinese-made products.
for my part i am ordering lots of trinkets that i might need, assuming that Temu will be banned soon
Like most voters I’m anti-war but people tend not to get what they vote for in important matters like that.
The US will not permit the EU to sit on the sidelines.
I searched the brand on the internet, but nothing turned up. Just Slovenian shops selling that same model at a similar price. [1] This seemed strange to me.
So then I screenshot one of those pages and search via image. Turns out that you can buy the exact same scooter on TaoBao for 952 RMB. (~114 EUR.) [2]
This is an absolutely ordinary situation. It was much the same when I was purchasing a bike for my kid -- 300 EUR here vs. 250 RMB there, for exactly the same bike. The purchasing power gap between USD|EUR and RMB is immense.
(I try not to talk about it too much, because it's the sort of thing that really upsets politicians and local vendors, and they'll want to find a way to make it more painful. It's a secret "life-hack" but for real.)
[1] - https://www.telekom.si/e-trgovina/sport-in-prosti-cas/skiroj...
[2] - https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?abbucket=5&id=869342176534
Did they change the Taobao listing? The price is lower still and the scooter is not at all similar.
This is why these Chinese sellers have become so popular - although in some cases, yes they are cutting corners - the main reason why they can sell the products so much cheaper is because they cut out a number of middlemen.
The person who imports the product into Europe has to make a profit. The person who brings it from there into your country and distributes it has to make a profit. The retailer has to make a profit, on top of paying their staff and landlord. It all adds up.
I would always recommend buying recognizable brands for anything critical. Otherwise it's basically a lottery. Quality control for brands, not to mention customer support, might feel like it leaves a lot to be desired. But it's still light years ahead of un/rebranded Chinese goods.
Since we have no choice, and the odds of coming out ok (if not exactly winning) in this lottery are not that bad, it's a workable situation. But because we have to replace things so often, I'd say we don't save much money - compared to western prices for the brands I mean. Compared to Vietnamese prices, we definitely save money. I'm not happy about the waste created, but at least we're in the country where everything goes to get recycled already.
On the other hand, there are also good quality Chinese brands (Dong Chen power tools, for example, or Timemore coffee equipment). But they're not that cheap.
> they're just a middleman charging an unreasonable fee for importing Chinese-made products
Doesn't most of our economy feel like a scam?
It seems inevitable, when dominant economic frameworks treat consumption as something which must be endlessly stimulated (at ever-increasing prices), instead of stimulating production, forcing cutthroat competition in areas where there is currently little, and letting the unprofitable rent-seekers and parasites get flushed out.
Yeah, it’s an institutionalized scam that’s increasingly dysfunctional and absurd.
It’s only cutthroat capitalism for the less well off majority that make up an increasingly small part of the economy. By dollar value the economy is dominated by financialization and speculative asset bubbles.
On the other hand China is the manufacturing giant of the world, and being able to source components directly in small quantities at a reasonable price is probably very useful to small businesses, so I hope that can continue somehow.
I still buy EU arts materials that are more expensive than Chinese products, but that are (at least supposedly) better tested for toxicity.
I noticed in the past year or two art stores like Casa Piera/Arte Miranda have had more products like watercolor paper and paints from China. I hope new regulations will make sure these are compliant with EY regulations, without raising the price to consumer too much.
Now Temu, Shein, lots of the shops on Alibaba, Amazon and eBay... they all push stuff into Europe that violates these standards and can be sold cheaper as a result.
That is bad on three sides: First, for the dangerous stuff (such as the toys with choking hazards, lead paint or the "chinesium" Big Clive routinely pulls out of shady eBay sales), that's directly endangering our people and/or our environment. And second, all the stuff made and imported that violates requirements is undercutting our domestic production and economy who does have to follow the regulations or otherwise it gets fined. And finally: a lot of the stuff particularly on Temu and Shein is outright garbage, falling apart after a few uses - and then it ends in our landfills and waste disposals. A horrible waste from an environment perspective, especially given that a lot of the junk comes in via air freight of all things!
I understand that and I agree that it should be regulated. But on the other hand, I can order 50 zippers on Temu for 2$, and if I go to a local store they sell one for 10$. I bought both, and they are exactly the same.
So one zipper on Temu costs 4 cents, versus 10$ in a local store. That's 250x more expensive. Doesn't seem reasonable.
They are not. With the one you buy at your local store, you get the two years warranty, and should the thing contain, say, lead paint you can hold the seller accountable.
Good luck doing the same against Temu.
In addition, you pay a markup at the physical store for stockkeeping. Yeah sure, I can order the small capacitor for some fried PLC adapter on Amazon. No doubt. But I'll need to wait about two days for shipping, whereas the local electronics store has it right now when I need it.
And with the Temu one I get 250 units for the same price. I don't know how often you break a zipper, but 250x in two years sounds like a lot :-).
> should the thing contain, say, lead paint you can hold the seller accountable.
I understand what you are saying, but honestly I doubt they check every 10cm of every zipper for traces of lead (or other). If there is ever an issue, maybe (?) they will recall them somehow, but I probably won't ever know (say I paid cash, they don't have a way to contact me at all, and with a credit card I'm not sure if they can / will find my contact ever).
> But I'll need to wait about two days for shipping, whereas the local electronics store has it right now when I need it.
Sure! But the fact is that I'm absolutely fine waiting 2 days if it costs me 250x less. Actually with Temu it's more a few weeks, I would think? Still worth it for zippers.
If the zipper was sold for 1$ in the local store, that would be different. But 10$? At this point I just don't want the zipper at all. So in a way it's not really "Temu vs local store". If I don't get it on Temu, I don't get it at all.
Also: fuck local merchants. They have scammed us for a lifetime. They can all close for all I care.
Yup, the "EC Representative". Some LLC paper company that's probably going to just fold over when you hit them with a claim.
I'm not sure how it works in the EU, but here in the USA I'd guess that the vast majority of those zippers are just ordered from Temu and marked up. And good luck holding the "seller accountable" if the zipper doesn't end up meeting your standards.
I said 10$, but it depends on the length. So 60cm is maybe 10$, 70cm is 12$, 80cm is 13.50. So you would say that testing the 70cm variant of the zipper is worth 2$ more than testing the paint on the 60cm variant?
My point is that at this price, if I don't get the zipper on Temu, I don't get it at all. I won't pay 10$ for a zipper of this quality.
As you showed with slightly longer zippers.. I notice with car fob remote batteries. An 8 pack is $12 at the store. The same brand, a single will be $5. A 2pack is $7. And the 8pack $12. Do you really need to make $4 on selling me a single? I know shelf space is valuable, but the same store sells things for $1 too on another shelf so apparently <$1 profit shelf space is possible.
I agree that the results can be sometimes weird, sometimes annoying, and sometimes outright dumb. But I'll rather pay that price than not have USB-C, two year product warranties, no lead in kids' toys or access to clean and safe drinking water.
Moreover, there are physical stores that also sell this "dangerous" stuff. My friend worked in one and she complained all the time on chemical odour these items were generating.
Why stop those of us who want to buy it?
I’d be ok with dangerous products being available for purchase if they’re labeled as such.
A regulator can tell temu/shein/amazon/etc to take down the seller, or even the brand and the next day two new ones prop up selling the product from the same factory.
To my knowledge, no one has solved this yet. Maybe a good use of AI? Unfortunately not monetizable really.
So you mean basically like Amazon?
If that game remains afoot for too long, the buck stops at the distributor - who can't hide from the EU behind ever-shifting randomly generated brands.
Then it only makes sense to do larger shipments to distributors, and those are easier to track and intercept.
But it’s not like the war on drugs every succeeded, and that never had to worry about economic viability.
There's an interesting dilemma here you're not considering. Any more red tape here would make it extremely difficult for legitimate small businesses to sell anything online.
Simple solutions that you have just thought about usually don't work, especially when the topic seems like it might employ several researchers and lawmakers.
kids’ shorts with drawstrings longer than regulation length, which cause a trip hazard
LOL. No wonder kids these days are so stupid. All the things they or their parents needed to pay attention to have been regulated out.
Cheaper isn't always safer.
It's not like local business were not already selling wrong and counterfeiting products.
We really overrregulate things here in the EU. It was a great run, we've had access to great Chinese stuff for a while now. Maybe around 2007-ish the direct-to-consumer imports started.
It has really helped me to acquire tools and eletrical components cheaply, where no other supplier was able to offer it at a good price or at all. Hopefuly the EU will fail to keep this in check so that the party can continue.
Instead of getting angry that other countries can do things better, we should focus on getting better ourselves! Get our energy, manufacturing and IT sorted out! This is pathetic.
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