It’s hard for me to see the chicken and the egg here (odd tech approval started declining in 2016 but they blame Biden)
But there’s a flywheel here, where the world seems to have turned on tech, and then, rather than say product managing the problem, tech turns further against the world.
Andreesen says this directly, where he’s mad that the world no longer recognizes philanthropy, so rather than trying to say, how can we serve people better to create what they value, it’s becoming, what if AI meant we didn’t have to make anybody happy. Peter Thiel paused when asked if humanity was good and should continue.
That’s a pretty fucked up response to a loss of popularity.
PaulHoule•6mo ago
Andreessen Horowitz was always that way. That Horowitz is the son of
But no one says Thiel and Andreesen are popular. How can they be popular if they don't have any contact with common people?
Popular generally refers to popularity with the masses. For example Jesus is popular. People will die for him. Who is going to die for Thiel and Andreesen or some tool builder/wealth accumulator? They are just misguided people and what they build or think about, wont last beyond their death, because they don't really have apostles or churches that actually provide care.
toomuchtodo•6mo ago
Thiel and Andreesen are popular in the sense of "they are wealthy, so they must be smart|good|etc." Think of it as tech bro prosperity gospel. With regards to your inquiry "Who is going to die for Thiel and Andreesen or some tool builder/wealth accumulator?" look no further to the startup/tech/VC ecosystem, where everyone grinds for a lottery ticket most know will never pay out. The people who will follow them either believe them to be right or don't believe they're right but know they have to play the game to get a chance at adjacent or similar outcomes to them.
> "Successful people create companies. More successful people create countries. The most successful people create religions."
(if we're talking "who will provide these people physical security and care until death while they continue to preach their religion," that is what the wealth is for)
(It does looks like his lies would be immune to your probing :()
Religions are evolved.. it's a double-edged thing to id them with a single person.
Sama perhaps knows. I'm glad he thinks mushrooms can help openAI evolve.
To be more critical of joules77: it's still an open question as to whether openAI (identified with either the employment contracts or the IP) was ready to die for sama last year
Also.. Russians (these days) have it in their blood to die for anything, but not something. Worth wondering
techpineapple•6mo ago
There's also another basically core question to me which is -- what is a conservative tech industry? What does it mean to conserve societal institutions and also create the vision of a new world through technology? I guess it means what we're looking at now with a tech industry focused on defense and surveillance?
techpineapple•6mo ago
But there’s a flywheel here, where the world seems to have turned on tech, and then, rather than say product managing the problem, tech turns further against the world.
Andreesen says this directly, where he’s mad that the world no longer recognizes philanthropy, so rather than trying to say, how can we serve people better to create what they value, it’s becoming, what if AI meant we didn’t have to make anybody happy. Peter Thiel paused when asked if humanity was good and should continue.
That’s a pretty fucked up response to a loss of popularity.
PaulHoule•6mo ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Horowitz
joules77•6mo ago
Popular generally refers to popularity with the masses. For example Jesus is popular. People will die for him. Who is going to die for Thiel and Andreesen or some tool builder/wealth accumulator? They are just misguided people and what they build or think about, wont last beyond their death, because they don't really have apostles or churches that actually provide care.
toomuchtodo•6mo ago
https://blog.samaltman.com/successful-people
> "Successful people create companies. More successful people create countries. The most successful people create religions."
(if we're talking "who will provide these people physical security and care until death while they continue to preach their religion," that is what the wealth is for)
gsf_emergency_2•6mo ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44598901
(It does looks like his lies would be immune to your probing :()
Religions are evolved.. it's a double-edged thing to id them with a single person.
Sama perhaps knows. I'm glad he thinks mushrooms can help openAI evolve.
To be more critical of joules77: it's still an open question as to whether openAI (identified with either the employment contracts or the IP) was ready to die for sama last year
Also.. Russians (these days) have it in their blood to die for anything, but not something. Worth wondering
techpineapple•6mo ago