you can't transition people into housing that either doesn't exist or isn't affordable. I sure as hell wouldn't want to move into a shelter if I already had an RV. Seems like getting rid of them will just lead to more people on the streets and I'd much rather see an RV park than a tent city.
I don't have any idea what percentage of RVs fall into which camp, I just know that the bad ones are very visible.
The answer isn’t motorhomes or tents, it’s better political leadership and a healthier less likely to fall into homelessness middle class.
To clarify: you believe that the cheapest available housing today should be used to determine if someone is allowed to live in SF? If not, how are you quantifying “can afford SF”?
Still, the California building code 709b discusses sleeping and alludeds so a definition for bedroom, so going in that direction, in order to be not living in a tent, a person would need to have their own access to a legal bedroom, as defined by the building code. There is a $20k fine if people are sleeping in, eg, the twitter offices, which was not zoned for that.
We aren't limited to just those two options
My wife’s family is from Oregon and it’s full of people who don’t have any real job but live in a trailer and get by doing part time handyman work or the like. Somehow the state manages to provide them trash pickup.
You can’t abolish poverty but you can sure make it worse.
Tents aren't tolerated anymore: https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/28/supreme-court-homel...
And it shows. I encounter tent residents far less often now vs. last year, and there's no way those people have all moved into added RV capacity. It was already at its limit.
(I've skateboard commuted through SOMA in SF most days for coming up on 2 years)
I.e. SF is never going to be able to fix the problem of people being too poor (or addicted or mentally ill or whatever), due to arbitrage opportunities.
Surely they will spend somewhere between $4m and $44m trying to effectively force this 2 hour limit which will not result in 0 RVs where they don't want them
They'll make it back on the other end by engaging in revenue enforcement against box trucks and other legitimate business as the rule seems very clearly crafted to apply to them too.
https://math.uchicago.edu/~shmuel/Modeling/Hardin,%20Tragedy...
Maybe I'm jaded but I see this as a way to extract revenue from commercial vehicles while sailing under the flag of screwing the homeless so that it can be marketed to residents voters.
Like I said, maybe I'm jaded, but that's what every big city I've ever known would do.
If this was just about the problem RVs they could've easily exempted commercial trucks or put a 12 (enough to reset your logbook) or heck, 8 or 10 (a full day of work) limit on it. Yet they didn't do either of those and went with a time limit.
This seems very clearly crafted to not exempt commercial vehicle drivers who are sleeping off their logbook and/or people who are driving commercial trucks to places where they will use the contents of those trucks for their business purposes.
You go to the restaurant with your box truck full of steam cleaning equipment and you deep clean the place. Without some sort of "being lived in" criteria law seems very clearly written to allow them to fine those people.
Or you park your semi in a reasonable seeming place after your delivery for the day or whatever and sit on your butt for 10hr because that's what the law requires
tyleo•11h ago
I don’t want people like that by me.
Yet RVs are an incredible cheap housing option. I would simultaneously advocate for opening up a space to park a bunch of RVs that these folks could live... just not by me :/
So I really don’t know what to do. Just a few bad apples can ruin public safety in a community for everyone else. I don’t know that we can both provide safety for home owners and the housing option for non home owners :/
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tyleo•4h ago
That fixed my local problem. Obviously the people moved somewhere else though.
supertrope•9h ago
In New York Columbia University Public Safety officers escort any non-community members off their campus.