I don't know, I don't see an inherent issue with this, I think there's value in some things said here but I don't see a lot of value in "going out and meeting more than 1-2 people per week" or whatever. It feels like one of those things you read and get excited about then have no way to act because "Oh yeah let me just go meet people! At ... walmart maybe?"
Hell is (trying to herd) other people.
We all had a good laugh then she introduced herself as the mother of the other woman who happened to be very attractive. We continued chatting and exchanged contact info.
I’m not sure anything will come of it but I do know that I had a much more pleasant and serendipitous elevator experience because instead of just smiling after they admitted their mistake, I threw out a silly reply which turned into what it did.
Returning to the main topic: the problem with networking is that the scale of sellers is much greater than the buyers, and those networks have hierarchies difficult to penetrate.
But I found this article landed different than most self-help. It spoke in terms of mindsets one can adopt to do the things you mentioned.
And it made those mindsets compact/memorable so I'm more likely to use them.
And every "business success" book ever. They're all just Survivor Bias. Have 1,024 people flip a coin 10 times, find the guy who flipped heads 10 times in a row, and have him write a book about what it takes to be a master coin flipper.
>>> import random
>>> ["H" if random.random() < 0.5 else "T" for _ in range(100)]
['H', 'H', 'H', 'H', 'H', 'T', 'T', 'T', 'T', 'H', 'T', 'T', 'H', 'T', 'T', 'T', 'T', 'H', 'T', 'H', 'H', 'H', 'H', 'H', 'T', 'T', 'H', 'H', 'T', 'H', 'H', 'H', 'T', 'H', 'H', 'H', 'T', 'T', 'T', 'T', 'T', 'H', 'T', 'H', 'H', 'T', 'H', 'T', 'T', 'H', 'T', 'H', 'T', 'H', 'T', 'H', 'T', 'H', 'T', 'H', 'H', 'T', 'T', 'T', 'T', 'T', 'H', 'H', 'T', 'H', 'T', 'H', 'T', 'H', 'T', 'T', 'T', 'T', 'H', 'H', 'H', 'H', 'H', 'H', 'T', 'H', 'H', 'T', 'T', 'T', 'T', 'H', 'H', 'H', 'H', 'H', 'H', 'H', 'H', 'H']
I count 9 at the end, not bad.flip it more times, that's the luck surface area
Take those risky leaps but I'd add that "luck" also favours the well-prepared.
Risks that are imaginary can be real psychological barriers, fear-inducing, and life-limiting. So making those leaps is important, don't you think?
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/04/warren-buffett-says-the-key-...
I spent years smoothing out my quirks until I realized those quirks are what people find compelling. Ironically, aspiring influencers sometimes fake eccentricity. Think “Liver King”, when genuine oddity is far more interesting.
A better way is to observe the people who failed and failed miserably, and learn from their failures. My model of the world is that, for ordinary people, you are going to be exposed to some opportunities to succeed from time to time, but in a random fashion. You only need to catch one or two to be successful. So the key is NOT to maximize your success rate, but to make sure you never fell into a hole you cannot climb back, and prepare for the next opportunity.
But so far I have not seen any serious conference that focuses on failures. Everyone wants to learn from the winners. I’d hold a losers conference if I got the time.
As an example, if you studied for an exam and did well, was it because you didn't get into a car accident on the way or overslept or got sick when you needed to study? Or because you studied?
I have found that many people want to attribute all success as 'luck' due to their own insecurities.
I've always wondered about this for startups: failure porn just feels so useful but my suspicion is that it is useless.
There's just too many different ways to fail.
Focusing time and energy on how to avoid failure just seems so wrong. Getting sidetracked. Unmotivated. However I do think one needs the right amount of fear, and one needs to avoid the failure modes for your particular startup and your particular personality.
Surely the right idea is to focus on competing to win.
> for ordinary people, you are going to be exposed to some opportunities to succeed from time to time, but in a random fashion
There's a saying I really love The harder I work, the luckier I get
The way I interpret this is that by working harder you make yourself able to take advantage of more opportunities that come along. It "increases your surface area of luck", effectively. The opportunities still come at random, but work helps you capitalize on that luck. As a dumb trivial example, let's say you're a recent college graduate just having a drink at a bar. You just happen to talk to the person next to you and they tell you they're working in the space you studied and are hiring. If you didn't go to school, you wouldn't have been able to take advantage of that lucky situation.I definitely agree that it is important to look at failures and learn from them. There's a large bias for ignoring luck's role in our (or others') success. Sometimes to the point of becoming superstitious, like replicating patterns of successful people that have nothing to do with their success (e.g. their daily routine). But when looking at failure, it is also important to remember Picard[0]
It is possible to commit no mistakes and still lose. That is a weakness, that is life.
Sometimes people fail because they got unlucky. They did all the right things, but at the wrong time. This isn't the answer to all failures, but it is to some. It can be difficult to determine the difference, but just because it didn't work for someone before doesn't mean it won't work this time.If luck plays a role for success, lack of luck plays a role in failure. With success, we tend to underestimate the role of luck. With failure we tend to overestimate it. In neither case can it be ignored.
A conference that could cut through that and get to some real answers would be very valuable. I would call it a "burnout conference" though. It really seems like the terminology has changed recently; people say "loser" less and "burnout" more, perhaps in light of some recognition of:
(1) the seriousness of the circumstances (it's not a game)
(2) the personal nature of everyone's journey (it's not a competition)
(3) the degree to which a lot of this stuff is out of our control
(4) the toll the rat race takes on even the most strident
Scott Adams' book "How to Fail at Almost Everything and Still Win Big" talks a lot about this, and is an enjoyable read, despite the author's current reputation.
Also, there is a difference between making decisions at the individual level and looking at the actions of all humans combined. A strategy that is sub-optimal for most individuals can still yield positive outcomes at the societal level. For example, it is fortunate that many people go into research, even though it is highly unlikely for an individual to find a massive breakthrough.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploration%E2%80%93exploitati...
Highly recommended!
> the exploration–exploitation tradeoff ... for which no universally optimal solution is known
I want to nitpick a bit. It may be nuanced, but I think it makes a significant difference.Exploration-exploitation is about a class of algorithms[0], and I would not say that means "there is no optimal solution." Rather, it is often applied to problems where there is no optimal solution. You can apply it to problems with known optimal solutions and it should still get you to the optima.
What problems don't have global optima? Most. Most problems we simplify in ways that will contain an optima, but it is best to remember the assumptions made and if they appropriately apply. This is part of why always maintaining at least some exploration can be a highly successful strategy. Extremely useful in the real world too as the environment is always changing. You cannot generate globally optimal solutions for dynamic problems where the future states are unknown.
[0] Examples include Q-Learning, Bandits, or sampling algorithms. Multiarmed bandits and Thompson Sampling are mentioned in the wiki but note that there are more bandit algorithms and more sampling algorithms.
Our own patio11 (Patrick McKenzie) also helped propagate the concept.
The basic equation is L = D * T — that is, luck surface area equals doing times telling.
I think the author strays from the original concept a bit. She’s not necessarily wrong, but I get a sense of focusing on style over substance in most of her examples as compared to the original concept.
Step 2: Do not be anything other than an extreme extrovert
e.g. pretend you're Tony Stark, a form of role playing (like how actors operate).
It's like saying you want to swim, but refuse to touch water.
https://www.codusoperandi.com/posts/increasing-your-luck-sur...
My notes/ points that stood out for me:
- Actively seek diverse social, intellectual, and professional interactions. Each one expands your surface area for serendipity. TAKE MORE SHOTS!
- Don't go into interactions with an agenda. Real interest opens doors unexpected.
- Always aim for excellence. Even in small tasks. People notice this. A strong reputation pulls in opportunity.
- Give before you take. Offer attention, time, or resources without expecting immediate return. That builds high trust relationships.
- Share your authentic self. Put your unique thoughts out there. It's a magnet for those who truly resonate with you. Don't fake it.
- Host stuff. Simple, low pressure events work best. Taking the initiative to create connections is often more effective than just showing up.
The word is yes (Yes Man 2008)
Expectations are premeditated resentments. (from a 12-step friend)
Put another way: I had very few opportunities previously, and they weren't too good. I also didn't really have good ideas on how to get ahead. Now, it almost doesn't really matter what I do - every direction is incredible.
I'm not quite sure how to boil down this situation, but I'm not sure that it matches up to the article. My luck surface area is certainly larger now, but it mostly stems from one very well-timed decision, not from intentionally going out to make connections (I still struggle with that.)
I started with AI six months ago at work and am feeling kind of lost where to take my career.
My email is in my profile.
First, I want to say that I don't think it was all luck. You put in hard work and you made it. I like the saying "the harder I work, the luckier I get." Luck gets you opportunities, work lets you take advantage of them. I say this first because I don't want anyone to read things as saying "you don't deserve it, you just got lucky". Luck doesn't detract.
> getting in at an AI-related SF startup before AI really took off
We spend so much time and effort for finding the best candidates. I think if we look at the history of things, this surprisingly doesn't matter as much as we might think. Huge companies have been built by people who on paper don't look the best. Some of these companies also take off by luck, or what we might call "timing." A lot of what matters is how a team or group works together. A lot of what matters is a candidate's potential, rather than where they are right now.[0]I want to point this out not to say we should just roll the dice on every person that applies for a job. Rather I say this because like most things in life, there's noise. If we forget about the noise, we're going to be less accurate. Randomness is literally a measurement of uncertainty. While we should try to optimize certainty, we are unable to be absolutely certain. So it requires recognizing the noise if you want to be accurate.
I think we often make a mistake by ignoring noise. Or worse, thinking we've removed it. We don't talk about this as computer engineers, but if you talk to any physical engineer (like a mechanical engineer), or even a machinist, all measurements will include tolerances. That's uncertainty, noise. Without tolerances, designs are not good enough to physically make something. And, the machinists will just make some assumption for you, which you gotta roll the dice if they're going to have too small of tolerances, making your part worthless or overdo your tolerances, making you pay far more than the part should cost. I think it applies to us when programming too.
> My luck surface area is certainly larger now
And I think this is another important part (that can connect to what's been said above). Success gives us more opportunities. Importantly, these compound. Unfortunately, this means luck matters far more earlier on. I think we should recognize this as it plays a huge role when talking about juniors, high schoolers, college graduates, and so on. The difference between two random people starts small, but grows as they progress. If you took the same student and sent them to Standford they'd probably do better than if you sent them to some Cal State. The former is much more likely to give connections and internships while the latter might lead to none, even if the education was exactly the same.Lastly, I just want to note that Veritasium has a video on luck and success. I think it is worth watching[1]. It's worth pausing the video at points, trying to make predictions about what he will say, and then continuing. Good way to challenge your own biases (or discover them!)
[0] It can be funny when people will spend so much looking for candidates but also say that degrees are worthless. There's probably a lot of these contradicting mindsets we all have (me included).
The advice to "increase your surface area for luck" by interacting more is half-right. The real leverage isn’t just volume—it’s receptivity.
Forced interactions ≠ luck. Dragging yourself to a party disengaged? Skimming a book you don’t care about? You’re not expanding opportunities—you’re a ghost in the room. Luck sticks to presence, not proximity.
Serendipity favors the prepared. Ever meet someone transformative because you were primed to listen? Or stumble on an idea because you were actively searching? That’s not randomness—it’s alertness meeting opportunity.
True "surface area" is neurological. It’s the difference between hearing and listening, attending and connecting. Optimize for depth of engagement, not just foot traffic.
TL;DR: Luck isn’t passive. It’s the collision of action and attention.“Trust your luck, Taran Wanderer! But don’t forget to put out your nets!” - Llonio
The books generally provided lists of observed patterns, usually at least a half dozen but sometimes a few times that. My takeaway from that reading was three general principles.
1. Location: The kind of events that you would consider relevant luck are not evenly distributed geographically. You need to be where they happen more often.
2. Preparation: At those locations, there will probably be multiple candidates waiting to take advantage of an opportunity. You need to aim to be the best candidate.
3. Flexibility: Your expectations for desirable opportunities have been molded by your limited knowledge of the world. You need to be ready to pursue opportunities that weren't exactly what you had in mind but may turn out to be just as satisfying.
TFA is hard to comment on because it feels like a rough draft. The reasoning could be sharpened. I have reservations about the "air your weirdness", because it seems to contradict the principle of flexibility.
But I'm not a doomster so my plan is:
* Leverage stuff I have to do anyway at work for performance reviews. Initiatives means talking to new people at work.
* Attend school related social events.
* Family connections. No I'm not well connected like that, just chat to family.
swyx•7h ago
- Operate from a place of genuine curiosity
- Assume you’re always auditioning for a bigger role
- Give before you take
- Air your weirdness
- Host events
- A period of lostness is a part of it
i think some novel points (host events is good, i agree) but also the rest of this is fuzzy and unorganized. you can spend a lot of effort accumulating microlucks but not get anywhere and burn out completely and early.
my version: https://swyx.io/create-luck
basically classic advice is do more x talk more about what you do = surface area
can improve that by pursuing authentic curiosity as TFA suggests
but then i add in an element of strategic thinking - go to where luck is more likely to occur.
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Thanks, really enjoyed this.