I don't really like the article title though, the rule seems pretty much correct?
> Carryover cooking is greatly underestimated in both its speed and degree, and this has a huge impact on whether resting meat does or does not work well.
That has long been my main reason for doing it and my guide for how long to rest. Until the carryover has nearly or just stopped and the internal temp is about to or has just begun dropping. For thin skirt steak or grilled shrimp this could be about as long as it takes to walk inside, for a pork shoulder or standing rib roast it might be nearly an hour.
Also long been understood that there's no benefit to resting sous vide meat, since there's no carryover to manage.
Gritzer actually ran a relatively serious tasting experiment for this article, though I'm not sure how much it mattered to the point he's making.
The meathead article argues: - Resting doesn't change perceived juiciness the way you think it does. - Meat that you will slice on your plate continues cooking on plate. - Therefore recommends just cook to temp and dive in and don't do any traditional rest.
The Serious Eats article: - Tests the temp at slicing theory. - Says this means that appropriate resting time only has to do with aligning the carryover cook time with the temp you brought it to while cooking with the temp it will be at slicing - Suggests that the real benefit of resting is that it is easier to time and stick the landing with desired temp because of the gradual glide at the end - Therefore recommends: Using a rest, but shorter than traditional, just long enough as appropriate for temp control.
Meathead is a singular dude who runs amazingribs.com. Wrote a good book too [1].
[1] https://www.amazon.com/Meathead-Science-Great-Barbecue-Grill...
So... you want to rest to bring the temperature down before slicing. The rule about resting isn't wrong in practice, it just had an incorrect explanation as to why it works.
> But my 1.5-inch-thick chops completely defied this: Even when I pulled one a full 15°F before hitting its target temperature of 140°F, it had reached 140°F and threatened to surpass it in under three minutes. Follow the conventional resting advice, and in many cases, you're going to blow right past your target temp.
This article is conflating different things. Obviously, don't overcook your protein. The best way to guarantee this is with sous vide. But in any case, the conclusion isn't to avoid resting. It's to pull the meat earlier to avoid overcooking, and then rest for the reason explained at the start of this comment.
> The bottom line is this: It's a good idea to pull meat early from the pan or oven and let it rest, but only long enough to give it the time to slide up via carryover cooking to the target internal temperature, which you need to track closely.
Wrong. You need to let it slide up and then slide back down. The target internal temperature is for doneness. It's too high for slicing, very often.
> What resting is not: a fixed amount of time for the meat to sit, which risks it overcooking and losing its crust. Once again, it's all about temperature, not time.
This is a strawman. You've always rested meat until the temperature came down. The reason it takes time is because time is what brings the temperature down. The fix is not to not rest, it is to not overcook in the first place.
What does that mean? Why is a particular temperature better or worse for slicing?
If it's juice retention, that is, lower temp = more retention, then the article seems to agree with this, but argues that juice retention isn't particularly important when it comes to final taste.
This is correct. Pulling the meat early means it will continue to cook while resting until the temperature comes down. It may slide up, but what you absolutely shouldn’t do is pull it early, wait 5 Mississippi, then cut into it. It needs to cool down at least 20 degrees C. 50 degree F. Still hot but won’t burn your fingers if touched. Put on some latex gloves, and cut away…
I call bullshit. Resting the meat keeps the juice inside. This is objectively the case, whether or not some blind taste test agrees. (I'm not even sure why a blind test is relevant here...)
Cooking to, say, a medium-rare and cutting in right away will spill a lot of juice, whereby cooking to below medium-rare and letting it get to the medium-rare temp will leak hardly anything. It's dead simple to reproduce and obvious in practice.
I am aware of what SeriousEats is, but this particular article is sensationalist and was written for clicks.
A corollary to that is that if the meat is closer to target temperature when it leaves the pan, you should rest the meat for less time. I don't think this is part of the conventional wisdom.
You don't slice individual portions of meat before serving. If I order a pork chop or a ribeye at a restaurant, I'd be horrified if it came pre-sliced.
And for something like an entire roast, you want to slice shortly before serving so it doesn't get too cold.
Just account for carry-over cooking and cook it less initially, or sous vide.
There are many, many instances where you do.
The context of the article is obvious. It's about things like steaks and chops served in an American/European style.
Saying that they can technically be served sliced is to miss the point entirely. This isn't about stir-fry or salads.
Many times I've ordered a large cut of meat, like a porter house or a tomahawk (usually intended to be shared with the table), they have came pre sliced. I'm pretty sure even Peter Luger's will pre slice it for you even for an individual.
Resting of course does lower the temperature, which reduces juice spillage, but a) that's a secondary effect, and b) blind tasters turned out to not know the difference between meat that lost more or less juice due to cutting at a higher or lower temperature, so it probably doesn't matter.
Carryover cooking is what matters, and we should care much more about what temperature we allow the meat to rise to after removing heat, because we will overcook the meat if we allow it to come to the target temperature (or even within 10-15F of it, depending on meat/cut/thickness) before removing heat. The article advocates for removing heat much earlier than most people probably do.
Even that is not new. I've known this for long enough that I don't remember where I learned it.
The original meat resting rules were essentially engineering, when it is forced to run significantly in advance of science, in this case due to lack of sufficiently accurate measurement tools (instant-read themometers that can be left in the meat). They were discovered ad-hoc. They worked. But the theories behind them turned out to be incorrect.
Thermometers improved, the ability to control the cooking environment improved, and experiments could be run that contradicted the old theories about why it worked, and led to an improved methodology that could be used with more equipment.
This in turns leads to engineering better meals, even if only from the point of view of doing somewhat less work to the same result.
And the wheel will keep turning.
https://amazingribs.com/more-technique-and-science/more-cook...
Science requires measurement. Engineering requires cost benefit analysis.
Rules for resting meat are more like religion than science or engineering…resting meat is a morality play of socially acceptable and unacceptable behavior. Eating without resting is labeled crass because it is the sort of thing a starving peasant might do.
That’s how the results can be contrary to tradition.
Fun fact, Chris's co-author is Nathan Myhrvold.
And most people, even bbq judges, probably can’t taste the difference between a sous vide with smoke finish and a full smoker preparation.
But bbq competitions are about making the best ribs the same way car racing is about going around an oval the fastest. Equipment rules matter more than bare outcomes.
Green street is just ok for lots of reasons. I don’t think the sous vide is one of them.
That's why silly things like plating often matter more in a restaurant than actual taste.
And none of this should be too surprising. Our brains are complex things that like to hallucinate details. If you tell someone a bottle of wine cost $1000, their brain will happily invent reasons why it's one of the best wines they've tasted.
[1] https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2013/jun/23/wine-ta...
My assumption is you could because that oak flavor is pretty strong, but who knows.
Worst case scenario is you find out you still prefer expense alcohol :)
Imagine a glassblowing competition where participants were judged on how consistently they could make a certain piece. The people using moulds would end up winning, and they would do so with a fraction of the skill and effort.
https://www.texoassociation.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/O...
And, atleast with a pressure cooker, comes out amazing.
In what competitions is it banned? There’s a lot more to an award winning plate than just a perfectly cooked steak.
If you mean those TV shows, then I would speculate it has more to do with being slow and boring to watch.
It is about internal temp and managing carryover cooking.
I might be able to understand if you unintentionally rested meat because you poorly timed the finish of sides, but as soon as food is cooked, it should be served hot immediately, preferably with warmed plates from the oven if it wasn’t in use for your cook.
Completely asinine to me that people are letting food sit to get cold before eating it.
I mean there’s no comparison. Same with fresh bread rolls out of the oven.
People are just overwhelmingly OK with literally cold food.
This is not news to anyone who actually cooks and knows how. (prepared for the downvotes for sounding snobbish but idk how else to say it)
Retaining the juices in the meat has to do with the temperature at which the meat is cut. Resting allows the temperature to drop, which creates less pressure, so the juices aren't forced out of the meat nearly as strongly.
The title is click-bait. The major rule is correct, not wrong. But, now we know a little bit more about why this rule works.
> As the meat rests (and therefore cools) that vapor pressure decreases, and so does the juice loss. It's not about reabsorption or thickening as the juices cool, which is another common explanation that's been offered over the years. It's simply about pressure. Control for final internal temperature, and—rested or not—the juice loss is the same.
See the chart halfway down here:
https://blog.thermoworks.com/coming-heat-effects-muscle-fibe...
I always thought the whole point of resting is to do with temperature rather than time.
I was always under the impression that if you pull your meat at let's say 128, resting it will bring the internal temperature up, finishing at like 132-134. Is this wrong?
Kenji’s original tests seem to confound this as well: every 2.5min of slicing produces steadily less juice, despite the fact that the steak’s internal temp should be rising for some of that time.
So the average pressure will decrease.
(Yes, for an ideal cavity, pressure is equal everywhere, but for meat which contains highly tortured paths and a three-phase state mixture for the vapors to escape from - there can be different pressures in different areas especially once there’s any flow at all)
Please state units. In en_GB (at least) "pulling your meat" is ... ambiguous.
I cook til 125F, take it off, let it rest, cut. I have a probe that measures it in multiple points, allowing it to more accurately estimate core and surface temperature.
There are so many cases like this in cooking because no one bothered to actually test validate science as long as it produced claimed results (i.e. juicy steak in this case)
And when you achieve that was-lower-then-higher-but-now-lower-again temperature, it should be more juicy
1. finish temperature (as mentioned in this article) 2. peak temperature
In these tests, the finish temperature and peak temperature were the same - he sliced while carryover cooking was still climbing. However, when resting, most people achieve a peak temperature (due to carryover cooking), then roll down the other side of the curve to a lowered temperature.
As you imply, a longer rest - in conjunction with protein pulled at just the right time - can likely result with both the perfect (to taste) peak temperature, and a lower (and more juicy) slicing temperature
As a counterexample: let's say the only things I care about are juiciness of the center of the cut of meat and the time it takes me to make it. By the conventional wisdom I'd have to rest the meat, adding time, but now we know that I could simply keep cooking the meat for longer, since that will raise the center temp faster, and then cut it immediately after cooking.
Or another scenario: if I know the precise internal temperature for my preferred level of juiciness, I know exactly what temperature to set a sous vide to.
Can we do a study on that too?
hmmmmm. I want to grill two steaks, the same size, and to the same internal temperature on the same grill. Let one rest for ten minutes in a pie pan and cut the other into 4 pieces letting it also rest for ten minutes in a pie pan. Probably also wrap them in tinfoil. Then weigh the released juices at the end.
There is a huge difference between eating a steak that has rested allowing the vapor pressure decrease vs one that hasn't rested even though the internal temperatures in the middle are the same.
edit: I found a video of the experiment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYA8H8KaLNg
I could be wrong on this but I think Kenji was the first prominent writer to debunk this. I bring it up given the context of who all we're talking about.
0 - https://amazingribs.com/more-technique-and-science/more-cook...
1 - https://amazingribs.com/more-technique-and-science/more-cook...
This is debunked. See myth #2 and #4 here:
https://www.seriouseats.com/old-wives-tales-about-cooking-st...
I don't rest meat to keep it juicy. I rest it to finish the cook. It's not quite ready when it comes off the heat.
Now I'll read the rest. :-)
Doesn’t this approach necessarily mean that some of the meat will be cooked longer than other meat?
Adam Ragusea has a video[2] on the topic that goes into more depth, though the same information is repeated across a lot of sources of varying quality if you do a quick web search.
Yes, this is the exact reason I always rest mine.
When you cook a steak on a cast iron, if you wait to pull it until the internal temp is reached, you'll end up either burning it or drying it out depending on temp.
The best way is to cook it as absolutely hot as possible to get a good sear, then just let it sit. As long as it's fatty enough(or you use enough oil, depending), the center will continue to heat long after you remove it.
You should remove the cake from the oven when the knife comes out slightly dirty. The cake will finish cooking outside the oven.
I like to sear my steaks in a cast iron skillet. I use an induction cooktop and tend to start at medium-high and ramp up to as hot as the stove will get. I think the ramp-up is important to render some of the fat without just letting it all evaporate.
I turn the steaks over frequently (30s intervals), which keeps the inside from cooking too much while the outside gets nice and crispy. I take them off the heat probably 2-3 minutes (but keep flipping! The pan is still really damn hot) before they go into the oven (at 400F).
I take the steaks out when they hit 120 and pull them out of the pan ASAP.
During the “rest” that follows I add pepper and butter to the tops of the steaks. The outsides of these steaks become way, way hotter than the insides. But the size of the layer that is so hot is very thin due to the frequent turning. So they don’t need to rest long, and the temp doesn’t rise too much once they’re out of the oven.
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