Link to the original study:
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2023GL10...
Drift of Earth's Pole Confirms Groundwater Depletion as a Significant Contributor to Global Sea Level Rise 1993–2010
Any chance the original link can be replaced with this? This is definitely way more informative than the clickbait article.
I will add that human extraction of groundwater it not nearly as impactful as the formation of large igneous provinces and other ancient supervolcanoes. A tectonically active planet will definitely wobble unpredictably.
If only more planets could be so lucky.
What value does a planet have without sentient life there to enjoy it?
Value: [ ] Venus [v] Earth [ ] Mars [ ] Uranus
None? I disagree, we should go back to arguing about sentient life on earth.
I would guess that when there were gigatons of frozen water where there now is none that also changed the rotation of the earth.
Large magma flows and volcanic eruptions also change the rotation.
The earth is not a static system.
Headlines like this are not intended to be hard science.
They’re intended to connect to most people’s beliefs. Usually they explain away the knee jerk false beliefs.
https://www.antarcticglaciers.org/glaciers-and-climate/sea-l...
The earth is such a large and variable system that over the long term, humans can't significantly permantly change something like weight distribution.
I'm not sure if we'll live to see it, but I'd be pretty surprised if some fine day humanity won't evolve enough to abandon the primate bodies and decouple humanity from its biology. That is, I believe we'll eventually give birth to thinking machines, and hopefully they'll keep the humanity going even if other branches would possibly fail to the environmental changes.
Unless, of course, we won't make ourselves extinct first.
Humans have been around for what, 600k years? That’s genetically. Behaviorally (abstract reasoning, complex language) is only believed to be about 100k years old. Primates as a branch are only about 65m yold.
Crocodiles are 200m yold (mostly unchanging) while birds are 150m (wild diversity).
By whatever metric, humanity has no claim to adaptability as a species because we’re really quite too new on the scene. At best we’re more a virus - came on quick but spread at unprecedented rates all across the world bringing ecological destruction with us.
We have yet to see if we can survive the Earth’s immune response.
Systems at a roughly stable equilibrium can be surprisingly easy to shift out of that equilibrium by pushing them ever so slightly outside a local minima. Nobody right now is saying this particular situation is going to result in catastrophe, but we should exercise some caution when we are causing observable effects to the one planet we inhabit.
"If you are in a flying 747 flying directly at another one, then it appears as a very very tiny spec in the sky, until you get close enough to see it, and then it gets really really big, really really fast, and then you are dead."
He also said this about stable equilibrium: You can roll a glass in a circle on a table, and it can roll in a circle for a long time, but if it falls off the table, it is going to take some effort to get back to equilibrium.
We have little idea what equilibrium is, and we also have less idea about what it will take to get back to it, after leaving it.
See: "The Day After Tomorrow." (2004)
How much would that be in degrees?
1km3 water =1 gigaton = 1B m3 water.
How is that surprising? It seems pretty obvious to me that pumping groundwater would accelerate how quickly that water ends up in the ocean, and could thus lead to rising sea levels.
My intuition is that, if changing the altitude only affects the magnitude of the angular velocity, the other 2 degrees of freedom (longitude and altitude) must determine the direction of the angular velocity.
You start with a model of mass distribution of Earth over time, let us say M(x, y, z, t). Let us call w(t) the Earth's angular velocity at time t. If you know w(t_0) for some time t_0, you can calculate what the model says w(t) will be. The givens are: M(x, y, z, t_0), M(x, y, z, t), w(t_0), and conservation of angular momentum. You want to calculate w(t) from the model, then compare that calculation to the measurement to test the model. Your hypothesis is the model is accurate; your experiment is comparing the model's prediction of w(t) against the measured w(t).
I'm immensely curious to know how M(x, y, z, t) is calculated. They show some satellite images but it seems like they would only measure lakes, rivers, and maybe surface level soil saturation. But to me "groundwater" implies things like aquifers and underground storage, how do they measure that? You'd need to not only know the amount of water but also its change in latitude and longitude. Do you assume that if groundwater is used it ends up in the oceans? That seems a bit presumptuous, wouldn't a lot of it soak into the ground, get taken up by plants, find its way back down into an aquifer, etc.? Having water soak into the soil and become integrated into a plant is literally the point of watering crops, if we assume agricultural water ends up in the ocean doesn't that mean farmers are using too much water, which would be economically irrational because water is not free?
For that matter, why focus so much on water? Solid matter also has mass and we change its latitude, longitude and altitude when we mine it and turn it into products that we ship all over the world. For that matter, people and cars and ships and airplanes and wild animals all have mass and move around every day.
I'm a bit lost trying to follow the paper, it says "Changes in terrestrial water and oceanic mass loads were converted to spherical harmonic (SH) coefficients of the geoid..." but I only have a vague notion of what spherical harmonics are, and I don't really understand the given formulas.
[1] Latitude: Along the surface in the direction it's spinning. Longitude: Along the surface parallel to the axis of rotation. Altitude: Toward or away from the center of the sphere.
0hijinks•9h ago
For those confused how they managed that geometric analysis, the sea level rise mentioned in the paper [1] is caused by groundwater depletion. The tilt is caused by groundwater depletion. The sea level rise is not caused by the tilt.
[1] https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2023GL10...
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"Calculate the fraction of the circumference represented by the arc segment:Divide the arc segment length by the Earth's polar circumference (in inches):31.5 inches / 1,574,896,558.4 inches = 0.0000000200012759 Radians.
Which is kinda interesting, as it calculates the earths' circumference in Inches. 1.57 Billion inches.
jacobolus•7h ago
The measure of distance on earth is probably more easily comprehended by almost everyone though.
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0.0000072 degrees is 25.92 milliarcsecond.
Assuming that the Earth is a perfect sphere, which it is not, so now...
I have to burn up some Mathematica time, and have it calculated in elliptical coordinates.
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One important factor shown there is that dams hold back water on land, so act to decrease sea levels. It is not as big an effect as groundwater depletion, but is significant (around half as much).
The net effect of these two is much less than the other factors causing sea level rise (melting land ice) - looks like around 10% of total sea level rise comes from groundwater depletion+dams combined.
metalman•2h ago