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As Women Take over a Male-Dominated Field, the Pay Drops (2016)

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/20/upshot/as-women-take-over-a-male-dominated-field-the-pay-drops.html
12•Anon84•4h ago

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ENGNR•3h ago
The article dances around the reason… the desire for flexibility is financially penalised.

The gender pay gap is really the parenting pay gap, since it didn’t exist before the age where people start having kids. Encourage more men to be stay at home dads and you’ll see the gender differences disappear.

toomuchtodo•2h ago
When Spain increased parental leave for men, desired fertility dropped. Some men want to do childcare, but a substantial cohort want to chase comp and status while someone else stays home to raise their kids.

The phrase I’ve heard more than once about this is “Men want kids like kids want pets.” Easy to want something, but work is hard.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/20/paid-paternity...

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00472...

ENGNR•1h ago
Interesting! So the desired number of children dropped (I wonder what number it was reduced from, maybe from an unrealistic number), and the # of hours men spent with their children went up, and women did get back to work earlier. It seems overall to be having the right effect?
djoldman•3h ago
https://archive.ph/yyiNM

(2016)

djoldman•3h ago
Paper:

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w21913/w219...

monero-xmr•3h ago
But why are women paid more in the fashion and modeling industries
dylan604•3h ago
Are you seriously asking, or is this one of those sarcastic rhetorical questions? The point of all of these studies is that society has deemed women shall be paid less. You asked about models, but it is also prevalent in acting as well. A leading female actor will be paid less than a male actor in a similar role. It gets tricky here regarding the perceived attraction/recognition to the audience, but it does seem to default to male actors being paid more as the default.

You can ask why till the cows come home, but there will never be a satisfactory answer. Just asking the question to imply wrongness does not really do anything though.

brandall10•3h ago
Because the vast majority of capital in that industry comes from women.
dylan604•3h ago
Are they saying the obvious that people pay women less for the same work performed by men, or that the pay has dropped even for men doing the same work starting in the field now? It felt like they kept repeating themselves, and I just stopped reading so maybe the answer is tucked further in the continued repetition?
bluescrn•3h ago
Simple supply+demand seems likely to be a factor. More people competing for jobs in that field?
readthenotes1•3h ago
Ignore doubling the number of potential job candidates--surely that's an argument of the male patriarchy
pseudo0•2h ago
> Consider the discrepancies in jobs requiring similar education and responsibility, or similar skills, but divided by gender. The median earnings of information technology managers (mostly men) are 27 percent higher than human resources managers (mostly women), according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data.

Way to blow up their credibility in one sentence... Those are completely different jobs. An IT manager needs both management skills and sufficient technical knowledge to make decisions about technical matters and effectively supervise technical employees. Those skills are in higher demand, resulting in higher pay for IC staff and managers.

Also, numerous studies have found that the pay differences within job categories are largely accounted for by factors like overtime, lack of flexibility, stressful work environments, long commutes, etc. Society encourages men to pursue higher compensation, so it's hardly surprising that they are willing to put up with more for an extra 5-10%, even if it's to the detriment of their health and work-life balance.

david38•2h ago
This.

Two things are rarely mentioned

When you compare apples to apples, male vs female engineering manager with similar backgrounds, the pay is the same. In the Bay Area it favors the woman.

Desire has a large part. It’s no coincidence that the countries with the most women in programming are places like India and China, where they are given little choice. If you can do the job, you do it because otherwise poverty.

When women don’t have to, they don’t.

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